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Amazon braces for another major round of layoffs, 14,000 jobs at risk

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Re: Amazon braces for another major round of layoffs, 14,000 jobs at risk

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That is why software engineers also need unions. (but the time to organize was back when we still had the upper hand)

Not sure about other countries, but there were a few trys in creating unions for software engineers in Brazil, where I live. They all failed for lack of interest from the engineers themselves.

Aside from that, you need to contribute with money for something that will not get you anything in the short term. Also the lack of transparency incentives corruption

Re: Amazon braces for another major round of layoffs, 14,000 jobs at risk

#82
post #41

That is why software engineers also need unions. (but the time to organize was back when we still had the upper hand)

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You're entirely relying on a false dichotomy and an unsupported causal chain, assuming (without evidence!) that unions inherently reduce efficiency, slow growth, and lower living standards. The fact is that there's evidence that unions can correct power imbalances, raise wages, reduce inequality, and even support long-term productivity and social stability

Re: Amazon braces for another major round of layoffs, 14,000 jobs at risk

#83
post #41

That is why software engineers also need unions. (but the time to organize was back when we still had the upper hand)

Not sure about other countries, but there were a few trys in creating unions for software engineers in Brazil, where I live. They all failed for lack of interest from the engineers themselves. Aside from that, you need to contribute with money for something that will not get you anything in the short term. Also the lack of transparency incentives corruption

Why does there have to be a lack of transparency?

Re: Amazon braces for another major round of layoffs, 14,000 jobs at risk

#84
post #68
post #41

That is why software engineers also need unions. (but the time to organize was back when we still had the upper hand)

Unions are only going to be effective in a domain where the job can’t be done just as well by someone on the other side of the planet. Think plumbers, electricians, etc. The fact that the work has to be done “here and now” is the leverage those workers have. A software engineer’s union would just kick whatever offshoring is happening into overdrive.

Yep this. I think i've lost count of home many US and German companies keep moving their SW positions to my home country because US labor is too expensive and German workers rights and unions too annoying for business.

Where I live now in Austria, there's some union of IT workers, but it's small and toothless because they know their work can be offshored and have no leverage especially that the country is already not attractive to investors as-is due to high costs, high taxes and regulations. IT workers giving themselves even more benefits and protections through unions, like the rail workers have for example, would just mean non critical IT work leaves the country ASAP to neighboring Hungary or Slovakia or something.

In a globalized free market without trade and regulatory barriers, where the products and the "labor" travels freely over a wire with no borders or tariffs, the best value players win all, and everyone else is stuck in a race to the bottom trying to match that even if their operating costs are higher due to regulations, taxes, etc

Unions only worked in jobs where the workers could collectively use the leverage they had all along against their employer but were too afraid to use due to retaliation, but unions can't fix real world economic and trade facts that make your leverage zero to begin with. See the VFX industry for best example.

Re: Amazon braces for another major round of layoffs, 14,000 jobs at risk

#85
post #41

That is why software engineers also need unions. (but the time to organize was back when we still had the upper hand)

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Unions are just businesses that sell labor. There’s nothing wrong with getting a bunch of people to cooperate on selling labor, any more than there is with getting a bunch of people together to cooperate on selling bananas.

Re: Amazon braces for another major round of layoffs, 14,000 jobs at risk

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Right now, amazon is packed full of L6 and L7 software managers, making 450-900k a year, that: 1. dont understand ai 2. have had the same skill set for 10 years 3. are working on autopilot, not trying to get promoted, just collecting paychecks 4. taking zero risk, follow protocol, play politics for the company to move forwards, they need a massive purge. 15k is childs play. too many employees that make too much money…

Let me ask this question. Why can Netflix make a decent tv app and Amazon cannot?

This is really easy to answer, with some perspective from the inside, but mostly from public information:

- Amazon has 3 main business lines ("orgs"): Ecommerce, AWS and devices.

- Ecommerce and AWS are (now) cash cows. Devices bleeds money. TV falls into the devices organization.

- Devices was a Bezos bet. Current Amazon couldn't care less honestly.

- The devices organization is (today, after layoffs and people leaving in droves) essentially full of incompetent people, where all the leftovers of the other two orgs end up.

- It's people that was hired to build structure with the sole purpose of some higher-up promotion. They never served any other purpose, neither they have any particularly sophisticated skill.

- That's the people that makes the TV app.

Re: Amazon braces for another major round of layoffs, 14,000 jobs at risk

#88
post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure of your familiarity with FAANG pre-2022, but this is absolutely not the norm.

Can you elaborate? I've been working in tech for 15 years and FAANG for 5. We've always had layoffs.

I've been in the tech industry for 45 years. Layoffs happen regularly. Well, not regularly, what it is is a chaotic system. There will be good times and bad times. The best way to deal with it is to immediately save, at a minimum, 6 months of runway. Preferably a year.

When you're in between jobs, work on:

1. improving your job skills

2. network

3. build your resume by contributing to open source

4. start your own business

Re: Amazon braces for another major round of layoffs, 14,000 jobs at risk

#89
post #68
post #41

That is why software engineers also need unions. (but the time to organize was back when we still had the upper hand)

Unions are only going to be effective in a domain where the job can’t be done just as well by someone on the other side of the planet. Think plumbers, electricians, etc. The fact that the work has to be done “here and now” is the leverage those workers have. A software engineer’s union would just kick whatever offshoring is happening into overdrive.

Unions might be able to bargain against h1b because they can have an honest conversation with management about the "we just can't FIND anybody" lie.
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