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FOSS "just fork it" delusion

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Re: FOSS "just fork it" delusion

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> forking is easy, sustaining is hard. Forking code is cheap, sustaining a living project is not.

This what I wish people would remember before they complain that some feature they can barely verbalize isn't in the codebase. They deserve the "just fork it" slam because they can't imagine that actually, a maintainer's life is already hard enough.

Re: FOSS "just fork it" delusion

#82
post #13

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It is not click-bait. The article does not describe the situations like opentofu or mysql.

... but somehow fails to qualify that distinction in its actual content. "FOSS" includes opentofu and mysql and the redis alternatives and a lot more than just social media alternatives...

thinking critically is left as an exercise to the reader.

Re: FOSS "just fork it" delusion

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post #77

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The point of an essay is not just to make true statements. It's also to convince readers of those statements. Thus, the way the arguments are presented by the writer, and the way that readers interpret the arguments, is crucial.

The readers on this website are hopefully less lazy than that

How is it laziness to not be able to magically read a writer's mind?

Re: FOSS "just fork it" delusion

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

... but somehow fails to qualify that distinction in its actual content. "FOSS" includes opentofu and mysql and the redis alternatives and a lot more than just social media alternatives...

thinking critically is left as an exercise to the reader.

When you inflame that reader with grandstanding titles like "FOSS has delusions" perhaps they could be forgiven for taking that literally when nothing else clarifies your trite generality, me thinks.

Re: FOSS "just fork it" delusion

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post #36

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> i've heard it as a dismissal countless times. a project owner have the right to be dismissive about anything regarding their own project. This is why "just fork it" is both dismissive, but also power. If you are simply asking a project owner to do somethings you wanted (often for free, i might add), then why shouldn't they be dismissive? If you have an idea for said project that the owner is dismissive about, then…

i disagree with that stance. an open source project is made up of contributions by dozens, maybe thousands of people, and they almost always only contributed to that one specific repository under that one specific person's control due to game theoretical processes that are mostly random, such as first-mover advantage, schelling points, etc. the collective effort of those people usually far outweighs what the controll…

a project is a dictatorship, not a democracy.

The dictator could be benevolent - as is most, because it's the most beneficial to be one. However, there's no rules that says they must be. They could run it with an iron fist. The contributors do so knowing this - or at least, should have known this.

Look at wordpress's fiasco, for example.

You are under the illusion that the owner is doing the project for the betterment of the community. They _might_ be, but it's not a requirement.

I personally behave as if everyone is selfish, and will be out to screw you if given the opportunity and reason. Assume the worst and plan for that; if it turns out they are nice, then all the better.

Re: FOSS "just fork it" delusion

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post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is not click-bait. The article does not describe the situations like opentofu or mysql.

... but somehow fails to qualify that distinction in its actual content. "FOSS" includes opentofu and mysql and the redis alternatives and a lot more than just social media alternatives...

Yes if he mentioned the cases like opentofu that would be better.

Re: FOSS "just fork it" delusion

#89
post #69

This is now my favorite explanation of how I feel when people default to “just fork it”. I’ve always had trouble expressing how I think that is a symptom of a community problem. One that is endemic in many Linux communities. The next time I want to explain this, I’ll be linking to this post.

It's very reminiscent of the "if you don't like it, leave" attitude in politics.

Re: FOSS "just fork it" delusion

#90
post #70

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That brings to mind one of my favorite sayings: "It may be open source, but that doesn't mean that it is afraid of money."

It would be, if it were true. I'm not going to cast the entirety of a very large community in a single light, but there are great deal of people in the open source community who are afraid of money, or more specifically, that someone else might be making some, especially using open source code that they didn't personally hand write. Another symptom is most projects don't have an easy way to donate money to them.

> Another symptom is most projects don't have an easy way to donate money to them.

The money/downloads value is so low it's basically a waste of time to set it up.

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