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Re: TikTok is now collecting more data about its users

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I played with TikTok for a week or so. Every time I opened it, it was suggesting feeds featuring clearly mentally impaired people with large audiences throwing money at them for saying their name. It felt like a very concerted effort to dumb down the American population. You wouldn’t listen to these people for 10 seconds out in public. The fetal alcohol syndrome phenotype was widespread. The entire experience was dis…

The fairly accurate joke is that the algorithm is really just telling on yourself. > it was suggesting feeds featuring clearly mentally impaired people with large audiences throwing money at them for saying their name I've never seen that. I saw D&D content and discussions about gamedev. The feed is what you make of it, and TikTok's very famous algorithm shows you what you signal you will watch. Feel free to disagree…

I mean, I mostly see folks painting warhammer minifigs and bipoc communists.

I suspect that feed is mostly what I look for and enjoy about it.

Re: TikTok is now collecting more data about its users

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CBS news is effectively state media after the Ellison acquisition and Weiss hire. TikTok's US operation won't be any different and rolling HBO/Time Warner/CNN et al into this will be even worse.

Not even state media foreign state media.

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Re: TikTok is now collecting more data about its users

#84

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HN (and Reddit) are not social media, they are forums. Social media are platforms where the main purpose is to socialise. Forums are platforms where the main purpose is to discuss the topic of any given thread. Just because you can talk to someone, doesn't make it social media. I will die on this hill.

The moment you insert algorithmic curation it stops being “just” a forum IMO. The moment you add gamification on top (karma points, likes, rewards) it stops being just a forum. Reddit is definitely not a forum the same way old-school forums were forums. And I don’t believe you can, with a straight face, say that they’re the same. Also, “Forums are platforms where the main purpose is to discuss the topic of any given…

I remember a time when Reddit didn’t exist. When phpBB and vBulletin were the hottest ways to build a community around a theme. I remember when they would get so large that you would need volunteers to help moderate.

Now, karma and all that came from a way of making it so that the admins of this site have to do less moderation and let the best participants of this site have that power. It’s ultimate democracy.

Re: TikTok is now collecting more data about its users

#85

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All Americans are probably better off using Chinese apps that the Chinese government uses to snoop on them and Chinese are better off using American apps that the American govt uses to snoop on them than the opposite. The impact the Chinese government can have on an individual American is minor compared to the US govt and the same goes for the American and Chinese govts on the average Chinese person.

> The impact the Chinese government can have on an individual American is minor compared to the US govt ICE are fighting hard to change this.

How so? ICE is part of the American government.

Re: TikTok is now collecting more data about its users

#86

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Maybe because it isn't particularly insightful or helpful. If you told a heroin addict this, would you expect them to be like "Oh MAN why didn't I think of that?"

But that has nothing to do with the reality that the best response is to stop doing heroin. Someone refusing to help themselves does not change that.

Blaming a heroin addict for not quitting heroin is not constructive. It's addictive. That's how it works. It induces chemical dependency. You wouldn't blame a gunshot victim for bleeding all over the table cloth due to the laws of fluid dynamics.

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post #44

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What is the solution? You imply that it is just to quit using it, but then you mention how super-addictive social media and especially TikTok is. Which it is, by design, by very smart people who very intentionally exploit every aspect of human psychology they can, for profit. I don't blame the victims of social media, I blame the architects of it. To me it's clear that social media does more harm than good, and is on…

The solution is simple, go interact with actual humans and make an actual bond. Hanging out with good friends feels way better than any social media I've ever used and I've been online shitposting since 1995.

How do you do that? You've stated a goal, but not a mechanism to get there.

Re: TikTok is now collecting more data about its users

#88
post #27

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What is the solution? You imply that it is just to quit using it, but then you mention how super-addictive social media and especially TikTok is. Which it is, by design, by very smart people who very intentionally exploit every aspect of human psychology they can, for profit. I don't blame the victims of social media, I blame the architects of it. To me it's clear that social media does more harm than good, and is on…

Just use another platform if you can't quit cold-turkey. But yeah, the solution is to not let them collect data about you.

Which one — YouTube shorts?

Re: TikTok is now collecting more data about its users

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The moment you insert algorithmic curation it stops being “just” a forum IMO. The moment you add gamification on top (karma points, likes, rewards) it stops being just a forum. Reddit is definitely not a forum the same way old-school forums were forums. And I don’t believe you can, with a straight face, say that they’re the same. Also, “Forums are platforms where the main purpose is to discuss the topic of any given…

I remember a time when Reddit didn’t exist. When phpBB and vBulletin were the hottest ways to build a community around a theme. I remember when they would get so large that you would need volunteers to help moderate. Now, karma and all that came from a way of making it so that the admins of this site have to do less moderation and let the best participants of this site have that power. It’s ultimate democracy.

Democracy is extremely vulnerable to manipulation, especially if you don't verify identity.

Re: TikTok is now collecting more data about its users

#90
post #40

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Barely. It's like saying "don't do drugs" (thinking of heroin, meth, coke and that sort) and someone else says "caffeine is a drug too".

More like "alcohol is a drug".

and alcohol is worse for you than several illegal drugs
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