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GenAI, the snake eating its own tail

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Re: GenAI, the snake eating its own tail

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Post by 3vidence »

loudmax wrote: post #51
worik wrote: post #49

The old model of selling eyeballs to advertisers was horrible I do not know what will replace it, but I will not miss websites trying to monetise my attention

The GenAI providers will certainly explore advertisement revenue. They're not doing much of it yet because they're trying to gain market share while they figure out what what pain threshold of advertising their users will tolerate. People today may have a better sense of the downsides of ad-based services than we did when the internet was becoming mainstream. Back then, the minor inconvenience of seeing a few ads see…

There has been a very public announcement that OpenAI will start exploring ads in their models https://openai.com/index/our-approach-to-advertising-and-exp...

Re: GenAI, the snake eating its own tail

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Post by tines »

Imustaskforhelp wrote: post #71

Ironic that they created this post and I immediately felt like referencing ouroborous even when I hadn't looked at the website but then I opened it and the first thing I see is an AI generated image of Ouroborous Like the irony is pretty deep with this one about this. I am not sure if they could've gotten trademark from Inscryption/if they needed it but if they really wanted, I have found inscryption's ouroborous car…

Inscryption is the GOAT, beautiful game. Played it when I had Covid.

Re: GenAI, the snake eating its own tail

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Post by asdff »

randomNumber7 wrote: post #66
aogaili wrote: post #53

Companies will provide incentives for people to generate authentic content. Example X giving $1M reward for the top Articles. Because they can use it for training. In fact, this might be overall good thing, because finally original content will be highly on demand since those companies now use to train their models. But we are probably just in a transition phase. The other thing is that new sources of input will come…

How do you evaluate if content is authentic?

Eventually it won’t matter. People will forget what it was like to have authentic content. They’d look at it like how we might view monks in the middle ages copying the bible a hundred times by hand.

Even today people don’t even trust themselves to write an email. You see people on HN and reddit openly admitting they used ai to help make their post because they believe they cannot write. The march to illiteracy and ignorance is already taking foot.

Re: GenAI, the snake eating its own tail

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aeon_ai wrote: post #27

GenAI changes the dynamics of information systems so fundamentally that our entire notion of intellectual property is being upended. Copyright was predicated on the notion that ideas and styles can not be protected , but that explicit expressive works can. For example, a recipe can't be protected, but the story you wrap around it that tells how your grandma used to make it would be. LLMs are particularly challenging…

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Post by nubg »

Isn't this a self solving problem? If LLMs won't be able to solve a certain problem, arbitrage opportunities open to solve it as a human (by writing a blog post for example), just like in the old days, people typically did this for fame. I think LLMs can be understood as a really good way to search existing solutions, including combining multiple solutions in the fly. Only if something cannot be "found", we go back to the dynamics of before LLMs.

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Post by dailycardriver »

mapontosevenths wrote: post #60
lbrito wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>AI prompts themselves become a giant source of data. Good point, but can it match the old organic data? I'm skeptical. For one, the LLM environment lacks any truth or consensus mechanism that the old SO-like sites had. 100s of users might have discussed the same/similar technical problem with an LLM, but there's no way (afaik) for the AI to promote good content and demote bad ones, as it (AI) doesn't have the concep…

> (AI) doesn't have the concept of correctness/truth They kind of do, and it's getting better every day. We already have huge swatches of verifiable facts available to them to ground their statements in truth. They started building Cyc in 1984, and Wikipedia just signed deals with all the major players. The problem you're describing isn't intractable, so it's fairly certain that someone will solve it soon. Most of th…

“ Most of the brightest minds in society are working on AI in some form now.”

Source? I haven’t met one intelligent person working on AI. The smartest people are being ground into dust. They’re being replaced by pompous overconfident people such as yourself.

Re: GenAI, the snake eating its own tail

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Post by cadamsdotcom »

These takes are gonna age like milk.

The new world is one where someone can have an LLM assisted insight, post it on their blog for free, have it indexed by every agentic search engine, and it becomes part of the zeitgeist. That’s the new data that’ll feed the new models: a better information diet over time. And guess what else: models are getting better at identifying - at scale - the high quality info that’s worth using as training data.

Re: GenAI, the snake eating its own tail

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mapontosevenths wrote: post #60
lbrito wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>AI prompts themselves become a giant source of data. Good point, but can it match the old organic data? I'm skeptical. For one, the LLM environment lacks any truth or consensus mechanism that the old SO-like sites had. 100s of users might have discussed the same/similar technical problem with an LLM, but there's no way (afaik) for the AI to promote good content and demote bad ones, as it (AI) doesn't have the concep…

> (AI) doesn't have the concept of correctness/truth They kind of do, and it's getting better every day. We already have huge swatches of verifiable facts available to them to ground their statements in truth. They started building Cyc in 1984, and Wikipedia just signed deals with all the major players. The problem you're describing isn't intractable, so it's fairly certain that someone will solve it soon. Most of th…

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Re: GenAI, the snake eating its own tail

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Post by Imustaskforhelp »

tines wrote: post #82
Imustaskforhelp wrote: post #71

Ironic that they created this post and I immediately felt like referencing ouroborous even when I hadn't looked at the website but then I opened it and the first thing I see is an AI generated image of Ouroborous Like the irony is pretty deep with this one about this. I am not sure if they could've gotten trademark from Inscryption/if they needed it but if they really wanted, I have found inscryption's ouroborous car…

Inscryption is the GOAT, beautiful game. Played it when I had Covid.

> Inscryption is the GOAT, beautiful game. Played it when I had Covid.

Oh Man, Y'know I once beat Inscryption's kaycee's mods challenge without doing any blood sacrifice the whole run after I got bored when I had defeated all kaycee's mods

The gecko deck was amazing. I even played some mods of Inscryption. It was so lovely.

The people who play inscryption & people who don't aren't the same lol.

Played it during covid/end of it too & I still sing its

Let's discuss some Inscryption, tell me your favourite card combo.

Mine was ouroborous + the sigil which made it so that whenever a card died you got it back in hand, so now what you got was lets say you have ouroborous and some other card, you get ouroborous card placed lets say on the deck and then you get a squirrel and you have a wolf

you place the squirrel and then kill the ouroborous and squirrel to get wolf but now ouroborous gets back to your hand with better stats for the whole game, then it becomes so strong that you just need a magpie card or such sigil to then look for ouroborous card to make it game over.

Combining Ouroborous with the cockroach sigil + the three blood sigil essentially is an unlimited win game if you put the cockroach sigil on the blood goat too.

Gecko/Stoat are my second best favourite. before doing puzzles you could stack as many sigils as possible and I had the best stoat in the whole world lol, had like 4-5 sigils iirc :)

What about ya! There were also some really fascinating mechanics in the mods that I played too, definitely worth a play!

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