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Re: Why Greenland's natural resources are nearly impossible to mine

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Post by roryirvine »

HarHarVeryFunny wrote: post #79
roryirvine wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, you'd still need a full forced air cooling system (especially with modern datacentre densities), so the only gain would be from the there being a higher temperature gradient for your heat exchangers to work with. There's no way that by itself would make enough of a difference to justify building a dc there, given all the other negatives that others have mentioned.

Actually modern datacenters, such as xAI's Memphis one, are now using liquid cooling since the power density of SOTA chips demands it.

That's inevitable, really, given the way power densities have been increasing. I wouldn't be surprised if people weren't also experimenting with high pressure Helium and similar technologies.

It's certainly a far cry from opening some windows and stringing a few fans together in the hope that the chilly outside air will be enough to keep things cool!

Re: Why Greenland's natural resources are nearly impossible to mine

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Post by krapp »

lostlogin wrote: post #53
krapp wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Plenty of people are still talking about that. There are a lot of people and they talk about lots of different things.

If the talking gets too loud, the US will liberate and free another country. Iran is all lined up.

They don't care. No one is punishing them for not complying with releasing all of the Epstein files, and no one is going to punish them for anything in those files. Jeffrey Epstein was the first and likely last person to suffer any consequence beyond reputational harm.

There are numerous reasons why the US will probably go to war with Iran at some point (it's part of the "Axis of Evil" after all) but distracting from Epstein isn't one of them.

Re: Why Greenland's natural resources are nearly impossible to mine

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Post by quickthrowman »

HarHarVeryFunny wrote: post #79
roryirvine wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, you'd still need a full forced air cooling system (especially with modern datacentre densities), so the only gain would be from the there being a higher temperature gradient for your heat exchangers to work with. There's no way that by itself would make enough of a difference to justify building a dc there, given all the other negatives that others have mentioned.

Actually modern datacenters, such as xAI's Memphis one, are now using liquid cooling since the power density of SOTA chips demands it.

That data center likely still uses liquid to liquid heat exchangers with a chilled water loop and cooling towers to reject heat outside, but I could be wrong. Piping refrigerant around a massive building costs way more than chilled water, same goes for filling up the system, glycol and water is cheaper than refrigerant.

Re: Why Greenland's natural resources are nearly impossible to mine

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Post by quickthrowman »

lostlogin wrote: post #51
troyvit wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While we're at it I also fail to see any strategy.

> I also fail to see any strategy. Also see Venezuela. Oil seems to have been a key part of the aim. However oil companies seem surprised and not entirely keen. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c205dx61x76o

Hey guys, want to invest tens of billions of dollars into a country that nationalized the infrastructure you built less than 20 years ago? Anyone?

If a sane administration is elected in 2028, support for oil majors in Venezuela disappears.

Re: Why Greenland's natural resources are nearly impossible to mine

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Post by cdrnsf »

Yet one more bafflingly stupid decision from the cruelest and stupidest administration the US has ever seen. Perhaps electing a failed businessman and malignant narcissist and surrounding him with yes men was a bad idea? The cost of eggs certainly hasn't gone down.

Re: Why Greenland's natural resources are nearly impossible to mine

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Post by 1718627440 »

david-gpu wrote: post #4

I hope we can at least avoid the sanewashing. > President Donald Trump has renewed his efforts to take over Greenland, and tapping into the Danish territory’s natural resources is a key part of the strategy. It is not "taking over" or "annexing" . It is invading . A military ally , at that. And it is not "tapping into [...] natural resources" . It is plundering their natural resources . None of these hypotheticals ar…

> It is not "taking over" or "annexing". It is invading. A military ally, at that.

I do not get your point. An annexation is a military invasion with the intention of an ongoing control over that area.

"Taking over" is an euphemism of some more powerful entity stealing from some less powerful.

What's your point here?

Re: Why Greenland's natural resources are nearly impossible to mine

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Post by 8note »

troyvit wrote: post #16
david-gpu wrote: post #4

I hope we can at least avoid the sanewashing. > President Donald Trump has renewed his efforts to take over Greenland, and tapping into the Danish territory’s natural resources is a key part of the strategy. It is not "taking over" or "annexing" . It is invading . A military ally , at that. And it is not "tapping into [...] natural resources" . It is plundering their natural resources . None of these hypotheticals ar…

While we're at it I also fail to see any strategy.

the end strategy is controlling trade between europe and china. the NW passage and eventually the arctic ocean will be opening.

the US shares its current control with russia for these new trade routes, but it wants to be able to unilaterally decide what china can do at sea. thus it needs control that isnt shared with russia or europe.

its the same thing with panama, the US needs to recapture control to ensure that china cannot ship through without US permission

Re: Why Greenland's natural resources are nearly impossible to mine

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Post by connorshinn »

wolvoleo wrote: post #60
Havoc wrote: post #54

Today I heard some US official going on about how it's ideal for datacenters. Presumably the B200s will be brought in via dogsled. US has absolutely lost the plot

It probably is pretty good for datacenters. You would save a ton on cooling cost. And CO2 footprint as a result. Not that current US cares about that but the rest of the world does. And you don't have to own a country to put datacenters there. Simply investing there will bring jobs and money for the inhabitants, will make profit for the investor, it's a win win. Forcibly taking it over will make a lot of enemies and…

There's a theory I heard somewhere recently that part of the reason Trump is so interested in Greenland is due to his lack of understanding of maps.

The Mercator projection (which is how most 2D maps are displayed) makes Greenland appear to be the size of North America. It's large, to be sure (around 25% bigger than Alaska), but it's certainly not continent sized.

Obviously thats no justification for his actions, but found the explanation at least a bit amusing given his other odd misunderstandings (eg thinking people seeking asylum are from an insane asylum, thinking wind mills somehow affect whales, etc. The list goes on and on...)

Re: Why Greenland's natural resources are nearly impossible to mine

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Post by habinero »

connorshinn wrote: post #88
wolvoleo wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It probably is pretty good for datacenters. You would save a ton on cooling cost. And CO2 footprint as a result. Not that current US cares about that but the rest of the world does. And you don't have to own a country to put datacenters there. Simply investing there will bring jobs and money for the inhabitants, will make profit for the investor, it's a win win. Forcibly taking it over will make a lot of enemies and…

There's a theory I heard somewhere recently that part of the reason Trump is so interested in Greenland is due to his lack of understanding of maps. The Mercator projection (which is how most 2D maps are displayed) makes Greenland appear to be the size of North America. It's large, to be sure (around 25% bigger than Alaska), but it's certainly not continent sized. Obviously thats no justification for his actions, but…

Considering he thought it was "hole" milk, I'm choosing to believe it.

Re: Why Greenland's natural resources are nearly impossible to mine

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Post by brandon272 »

8note wrote: post #87
troyvit wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While we're at it I also fail to see any strategy.

the end strategy is controlling trade between europe and china. the NW passage and eventually the arctic ocean will be opening. the US shares its current control with russia for these new trade routes, but it wants to be able to unilaterally decide what china can do at sea. thus it needs control that isnt shared with russia or europe. its the same thing with panama, the US needs to recapture control to ensure that ch…

Whatever the U.S. feels it needs to do in that regard can be accomplished with the current arrangement. It doesn’t need to invade or unilaterally annex or violate international law.
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