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Agreed - so why admit the rest?
Because it turns out we need lettuce, too?
Maybe Walmart etc would have to take a few less billion for shareholders and pay people properly if they want them harvested.
Americans Overwhelmingly Support Science, but Some Think the U.S. Is Lagging
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#82Earlier quoted context omitted.
Unfortunately it changed from "best and brightest" to "whoever could make it over the border" and "whoever would do the same job for less money".
When was it ever substantially not "whoever could make it over the border"? That only stopped being (mostly—see the Chinese Exclusion Act) our actual policy in what, the 1950s? And after that, much to the relief of the agriculture industry that sharply opposed the change, we de facto barely enforced the new policy.
Thank God big ag managed to keep the profits flowing
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#83The US has become a world leader in suing curious people into submission. As soon as you touch any commercially available tech and do anything that the manufacturer dislikes, you're at risk, thanks to § 1201: "No person shall circumvent a technological measure that effectively controls access to a work protected under this title." Extending your digital camera with new firmware? Illegal. Inventing a custom ink or add…
In fairness that sounds like extending capabilities of something that already exists. For personal use that should be okay. For commercial use, that would run afoul of IP -unless we’re talking about open source, though even then you might have obligations depending on the license. If you want to start from square 1, using your own IP, you should be able to. Now, sure it sucks that you can’t do those things you mentio…
Yes, incremental improvements is how most science gets done.
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#84Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think some people overblow the lawsuit risk in the US. It really does suck here, however one of the benefits to certain types of innovation is that the US has a lot of IP protection infrastructure. Which stiffles innovation in a lot of ways, but also makes investment easier in some cases.
This is true in a way. We are all very free to research and innovate, it is just when you get it in your mind to actually make any money that the lawsuits show up.
Yep, and that is why you raise massive sums of U.S. capital to buy top lawyers lol
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#85Given the current US administration’s predilection against immigrants it wouldn’t surprise me if at some point the sycophancy becomes endemic in academia as well, resulting in a modern equivalent of “Deutsche Physik”.
The trickle of academics seeking safe haven outside of the US will increase, an ironic reversal of half a century’s policy to attract the best and brightest (especially prominent before WWII when the US and UK were actively helping German scientists escape).
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Americans think "supporting universities" is not necessarily the same as "supporting science."
to be fair universities nowadays are more interested in supporting identity politics and liberal ideology than supporting science
While i know better to argue with conservatives, I would just like to remind you that if the political tides ever turn, and somehow Democrats manage to take back control of the government, its going to be actually bad news for people like you. There are already several projects on the way compiling political associations (through buying advertising targeting data), and when it becomes socially acceptable to discriminate against anyone with conservative views, you are going to be in a world of trouble.
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#87>Americans Overwhelmingly Support Science Considering on the average 7/10 people either voted for Trump or didn't vote, (with Trump openly stating that he wants to neuter universities) Americans "think" they support science.
I support the idea of science, but absolutely not its current incarnation. Too many ideas are now beyond challenge; flawed ideas are validated through violence and deception, not scientific rigor or reasoning. It isn't Science anymore. It's Lysenkoism in all but name.
Examples?
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#88Re: Americans Overwhelmingly Support Science, but Some Think the U.S. Is Lagging
#89>Americans Overwhelmingly Support Science Considering on the average 7/10 people either voted for Trump or didn't vote, (with Trump openly stating that he wants to neuter universities) Americans "think" they support science.
On the average, 7/10 people also either didn't vote for Trump or didn't vote. Weird how framing votes in the favor of your argument works like that.
In a regular political cycle, where there is sanity, normally Im actually for people not voting when they don't know much about politics.
In this case, given how public all of Trumps things were prior to 2024, with him being a felon, him trying to coupe the government (even if you are completely unaware of that, you should at least know that the coupe happened under him), and all the other disgusting things he have done, non voting carries a different meaning. You either don't care if US falls into decline, or you are just as deluded as any MAGA in thinking that Kamala would have been worse - in both cases, you deserve no respect.