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Germany's Merz admits nuclear exit was strategic mistake

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Re: Germany's Merz admits nuclear exit was strategic mistake

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So to summarize, they were wrong to move away from nuclear. They were wrong to ban fuel vehicle at the EU scale. They were wrong to welcome 1 million Syrian refugees. They were wrong to cut off gaz from Russia.

At what point does that political class that has destroyed Europe, gets voted out for good, if not prosecuted ?

Re: Germany's Merz admits nuclear exit was strategic mistake

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post #81

So to summarize, they were wrong to move away from nuclear. They were wrong to ban fuel vehicle at the EU scale. They were wrong to welcome 1 million Syrian refugees. They were wrong to cut off gaz from Russia. At what point does that political class that has destroyed Europe, gets voted out for good, if not prosecuted ?

Why were they wrong to cut off gas from Russia?

Re: Germany's Merz admits nuclear exit was strategic mistake

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post #82
post #81

So to summarize, they were wrong to move away from nuclear. They were wrong to ban fuel vehicle at the EU scale. They were wrong to welcome 1 million Syrian refugees. They were wrong to cut off gaz from Russia. At what point does that political class that has destroyed Europe, gets voted out for good, if not prosecuted ?

Why were they wrong to cut off gas from Russia?

They didn't even. They announced a time-plan to stop buying Russian gas eventually. Russia weaponized gas deliveries and stopped delivering. In fact, even before the war and any "unfriendly" action by Europe, they underdelivered to keep the gas storages (which they owned) low and drive the prices up. This alone should make anyone not want to buy Russian gas again.

The fact that these threads are always full of lies with all these twisted narratives show you who's doing the talking in all of them really. This thread was a few minutes old when someone had to mention that "The US blew up the pipeline" and this shit doesn't even collect downvotes or gets flagged, it rises to the top.

I clicked on two accounts posting lies and saw Russian software companies mentioned in their scant posting history, which in itself is not a crime, but also a fitting signal.

Re: Germany's Merz admits nuclear exit was strategic mistake

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post #82
post #81

So to summarize, they were wrong to move away from nuclear. They were wrong to ban fuel vehicle at the EU scale. They were wrong to welcome 1 million Syrian refugees. They were wrong to cut off gaz from Russia. At what point does that political class that has destroyed Europe, gets voted out for good, if not prosecuted ?

Why were they wrong to cut off gas from Russia?

Because it destroyed the European economies by massively increasing the cost of energy.

Re: Germany's Merz admits nuclear exit was strategic mistake

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Why were they wrong to cut off gas from Russia?

They didn't even. They announced a time-plan to stop buying Russian gas eventually. Russia weaponized gas deliveries and stopped delivering. In fact, even before the war and any "unfriendly" action by Europe, they underdelivered to keep the gas storages (which they owned) low and drive the prices up. This alone should make anyone not want to buy Russian gas again. The fact that these threads are always full of lies w…

Europe has roughly divided by 5 its imports of Russian gas.

As to the Nord Stream, German prosecution services have arrested a Ukrainian national, Serhii Kuznetsov, in their ongoing investigations. The NY Times, the Spiegel, and Washington Post (all very well-known KGB mouth pieces), strongly point to Ukraine as well.

So my question is, are you really in a good position to lecture everyone about "fake news" on those topics ? I guess you were also telling us all that Trump was a KGB agent, before that got debunked in court ?

Re: Germany's Merz admits nuclear exit was strategic mistake

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Batteries are not actually becoming dirt cheap. And if you do the math of how much you need, even if batteries get cheaper by 50% (and that is unlikely just based on materials cost) its nowhere near enough. > decentral production wins amidst clusterfucking climate catastrophes If you do the math you will see Germany could have actually saved money if they had build nuclear in the 2000s. > solar and wind already are c…

>even if batteries get cheaper by 50% (and that is unlikely just based on materials cost) its nowhere near enough. Could you share this math?

Look up how long a dunkelflut is and do the math yourself.

There is a reason that Germany and Europe is planning to do very long distance transport of solar energy. Only by having diverse weather pattern across Europe can you possible do it. Of course this is also incredibly expensive.

Even if you assume a very low price from batteries like Form Energy, its still insanely expensive.

Re: Germany's Merz admits nuclear exit was strategic mistake

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Fission could and is a sustainable way to have green energy forever. No need to transition at all. Fusion is unlikely to be cheaper anytime soon, even if somebody could build a plant that makes positive energy.

Hey, just wait 25 years, and fusion will be cheaper than anything ;)

The problem is that even the theory behind that is wrong. In fission with a thorium breeder reactor you can in theory have zero cost fuel, even natural uranium would be even zero cost if you went with a fast breeder. With fusion you will need to continually breed the fuel.

In addition, the materials you need for a nuclear reactor are pretty simply and can be done with 1960s technology, while the materials for a fusion reactor are literally unknown.

So all the assumptions about fusion are just wrong, the increase in energy density of fusion over fission is pointless, unless maybe we want to travel do another star system.

Re: Germany's Merz admits nuclear exit was strategic mistake

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All of these should have been shut down (by now). The mistake was not building new ones to replace them.

Why shut them down? Older generation reactors? A lot of other countries are extending the lives of older reactors successfully and with far less cost and delay than a brand new plant.

Except China, who is good at building them.

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