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Re: Minor says ICE took his iPhone, later found in used-electronics vending machine

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Post by RickJWagner »

thrance wrote: post #79
RickJWagner wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because the Democrat politicians encouraging the agitators are aligned with Obama. Obama is a great orator, and a historic figure. If we don’t remind people that he used ICE much like Trump did, we could end up with a historic injustice. If you call Trump a monster for his use of ICE ( as the ACLU does ), you should also call Obama a monster ( also as the ACLU does ). It’s only fair. If it’s still not clear, I’ll giv…

> That’s why I keep throwing this out there. The truth must be acknowledged. You can’t call Trump a monster without calling Obama a monster, too. Except no one is disputing this "truth". You're making up a strawman. Clearly, no one on the Left cares to defend Obama over his use of ICE, you must have realized this by now. But you keep bringing him up whenever ICE does anything illegal or abhorrent (which is daily now)…

Here’s Mike Pence on Trump: https://www.cnn.com/2026/01/07/politics/video/src-pence-on-j...

Here’s Mitt Romney on Trump: https://pbswisconsin.org/watch/newshour/mitt-romney-s-full-s...

Here’s George Bush: https://enewspaper.latimes.com/infinity/article_popover_shar...

So I don’t understand why you say Republicans don’t criticize Trump. As you can see, they criticize him very harshly, for a number of things. Please explain what you meant.

Now for the Democrats, please show me an article about a Democrat disowning Obama for his use of ICE. The bigger the politician, the better.

Re: Minor says ICE took his iPhone, later found in used-electronics vending machine

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Post by fjklasfifefj »

fjklasfifefj wrote: post #77
janfoeh wrote: post #45

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> Daniel (dang): I deeply resent if I now add to your daily troubles. What is with the dang worship on HN?! He is coconspirator and enabler of the very thing you are uncomfortable with. Call him what he is: the problem.

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Re: Minor says ICE took his iPhone, later found in used-electronics vending machine

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Post by willmarch »

majorchord wrote: post #80
willmarch wrote: post #52

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Yes, that’s the duty of every red-blooded American

You might be technically right, but there's also possibly a larger chance you'll end up dead if you don't comply, and I think most people are not prepared to make that sacrifice.

They’re eventually going to come for us all whether we resist or not (that’s just the nature of fascism), so it seems like an easy choice to me, but history tends to support your conclusion (though I hope we as a species are capable of learning from the past)

Re: Minor says ICE took his iPhone, later found in used-electronics vending machine

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Post by defrost »

RickJWagner wrote: post #76
defrost wrote: post #35

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I condemn all excessively authoritarian behaviour. As a peer comment notes, bad behaviour _under_ a former administration is distinct from bad behaviour fully embraced, endorsed, and backed _by_ the current administration. As an aside, the "did you see what Obama did" is a poor response; while I'm certainly not a "literal communist" by any stretch I do urge you to watch a very short clip that specifically highlights…

I applaud your integrity. Thank you for the video, it highlights the discussion I think is needed.

Indeed.

I look forward to you linking to evidence of Obama's whole hearted endorsement of ICE agents under his administration threatening children with rape.

Clearly without such equivilance of support of excess from the top the cases of ICE under Obama and ICE under Trump are very very different.

Re: Minor says ICE took his iPhone, later found in used-electronics vending machine

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Post by RickJWagner »

defrost wrote: post #84
RickJWagner wrote: post #76

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I applaud your integrity. Thank you for the video, it highlights the discussion I think is needed.

Indeed. I look forward to you linking to evidence of Obama's whole hearted endorsement of ICE agents under his administration threatening children with rape. Clearly without such equivilance of support of excess from the top the cases of ICE under Obama and ICE under Trump are very very different.

I don’t know what you mean.

Here’s an article where ACLU says agents patted a teenagers behind and threatened her with rape but this was on Obamas watch.

https://www.aclu.org/news/immigrants-rights/border-patrol-wa...

Have you got something that says something similar happened on Trumps watch?

If not, I suppose an argument could be made that Trump is better than Obama, at least in this regard.

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Post by hypeatei »

thrance wrote: post #79
RickJWagner wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because the Democrat politicians encouraging the agitators are aligned with Obama. Obama is a great orator, and a historic figure. If we don’t remind people that he used ICE much like Trump did, we could end up with a historic injustice. If you call Trump a monster for his use of ICE ( as the ACLU does ), you should also call Obama a monster ( also as the ACLU does ). It’s only fair. If it’s still not clear, I’ll giv…

> That’s why I keep throwing this out there. The truth must be acknowledged. You can’t call Trump a monster without calling Obama a monster, too. Except no one is disputing this "truth". You're making up a strawman. Clearly, no one on the Left cares to defend Obama over his use of ICE, you must have realized this by now. But you keep bringing him up whenever ICE does anything illegal or abhorrent (which is daily now)…

> And I am yet to hear you condemn anything.

Because he doesn't[0], he's just a troll that likes hearing anyone to the left of him say that Obama Was Bad.

0: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46558062

Re: Minor says ICE took his iPhone, later found in used-electronics vending machine

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Post by thrance »

hypeatei wrote: post #86
thrance wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> That’s why I keep throwing this out there. The truth must be acknowledged. You can’t call Trump a monster without calling Obama a monster, too. Except no one is disputing this "truth". You're making up a strawman. Clearly, no one on the Left cares to defend Obama over his use of ICE, you must have realized this by now. But you keep bringing him up whenever ICE does anything illegal or abhorrent (which is daily now)…

> And I am yet to hear you condemn anything. Because he doesn't[0], he's just a troll that likes hearing anyone to the left of him say that Obama Was Bad. 0: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46558062

And the moderators are nowhere to be seen. I'm really tired of this bullshit, I wish they would clean this website of these obviously bad faith actors who only bring negative value to the table.

Re: Minor says ICE took his iPhone, later found in used-electronics vending machine

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Post by hypeatei »

RickJWagner wrote: post #81
thrance wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> That’s why I keep throwing this out there. The truth must be acknowledged. You can’t call Trump a monster without calling Obama a monster, too. Except no one is disputing this "truth". You're making up a strawman. Clearly, no one on the Left cares to defend Obama over his use of ICE, you must have realized this by now. But you keep bringing him up whenever ICE does anything illegal or abhorrent (which is daily now)…

Here’s Mike Pence on Trump: https://www.cnn.com/2026/01/07/politics/video/src-pence-on-j... Here’s Mitt Romney on Trump: https://pbswisconsin.org/watch/newshour/mitt-romney-s-full-s... Here’s George Bush: https://enewspaper.latimes.com/infinity/article_popover_shar... So I don’t understand why you say Republicans don’t criticize Trump. As you can see, they criticize him very harshly, for a number of things. Please ex…

Mike Pence, the one that Trump sent his supporters to hang on Jan 6th for "betraying" them? Bush and Romney who don't hold office and don't hold influence over the populist MAGA movement?

Republicans in Congress (the ones who can hold him accountable) are clearly sycophantic towards Trump, but you know that, hence the irrelevant politicians you named.

Re: Minor says ICE took his iPhone, later found in used-electronics vending machine

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Post by thrance »

RickJWagner wrote: post #81
thrance wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> That’s why I keep throwing this out there. The truth must be acknowledged. You can’t call Trump a monster without calling Obama a monster, too. Except no one is disputing this "truth". You're making up a strawman. Clearly, no one on the Left cares to defend Obama over his use of ICE, you must have realized this by now. But you keep bringing him up whenever ICE does anything illegal or abhorrent (which is daily now)…

Here’s Mike Pence on Trump: https://www.cnn.com/2026/01/07/politics/video/src-pence-on-j... Here’s Mitt Romney on Trump: https://pbswisconsin.org/watch/newshour/mitt-romney-s-full-s... Here’s George Bush: https://enewspaper.latimes.com/infinity/article_popover_shar... So I don’t understand why you say Republicans don’t criticize Trump. As you can see, they criticize him very harshly, for a number of things. Please ex…

FFS stop talking about Obama. Why are you acting like Trump didn't make the situation 10x worse? We already told you we didn't like Obama's ICE. That is completely irrelevant to the conversation.

I think you made your point, anytime ICE shoots at civilians or steals stuff from citizens, it's OK because Obama or ACLU or whatever Fox News told you to think. Got it.

You are yet more living proof that republicans are completely unable of going against Trump on anything. You guys will keep deflecting, changing the subject and using other fallacies to avoid it. (These three dudes you mentioned were de facto excommunicated from the GOP, Pence was even threatened by the Jan 6 thugs that wanted to hang him for not stealing the election).

If your next comment does not contain an acknowledgement of the most basic fact that "ICE stealing from citizens is bad", (something they did not do under Obama btw), this conversation is over.

Re: Minor says ICE took his iPhone, later found in used-electronics vending machine

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Post by _DeadFred_ »

scarecrowbob wrote: post #73
adrr wrote: post #14

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Laws don't matter in the US any more. Epstein files aren't being released even though there is law that requires. TikTok is still operating in the US even though there is law that bans it. Laws are only recommendations now.

Oh, there are certainly still laws that "matter". I assure you if you treat an ice agent the way that they treat folks, you will see the application of quite a few laws.

"For my friends, everything. For my enemies, the law" is the motto of tyrants and dictators. And now, the USA.
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