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Apple picks Gemini to power Siri

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Re: Apple picks Gemini to power Siri

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it's pretty Apple-ish to not jump into a frenzy, and wait for turbulence to settle, i believe. delegation to Gemini fits that theory?

I mean, Siri has been bad for what, 15 years now? It does seem like a bt of an outlier.

Gemini only replaced Google assistant on Android a few weeks ago. I gave up on Google assistant a few years ago, but I'd guess it wasn't a worthwhile upgrade from Siri.

Re: Apple picks Gemini to power Siri

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The Google Maps situation is a great example of why this will be hard. When Apple switched to their own maps it was a huge failure resulting in a rare public apology from the company. In order to switch you have to be able to do absolutely everything that the previous solution offered without loss of quality. Given Google's competence in AI development that will be a high bar to meet.

They switched despite Apple Maps having poor data for a reason: Google wanted to shove ads in it. Apple refused and to switch. Their hand was forced by that refusal.

I thought it was Google refusing to provide turn by turn directions?

Apple announced last year they are putting their own ads in Maps so if that was the real problem the corporate leadership has done a complete 180 on user experience.

Re: Apple picks Gemini to power Siri

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If nothing else, this was likely driven by Google being the most stable of the AI labs. Gemini is objectively a good model (whether it's #1 or #5 in ranking aside) so Apple can confidently deliver a good (enough) product. Also for Apple, they know their provider has ridiculously deep pockets, a good understanding and infrastructure in place for large enterprises, and a fairly diversified revenue stream. Going with An…

Nothing about OpenAI smells clean.

Re: Apple picks Gemini to power Siri

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My exact reaction every time I hear people discuss Siri. I don’t think I used it once in my life and it’s one of the first thing I turn off every time I have a new device. So interesting to see how different people use the same devices in completely different ways.

Siri is extremely useful. That is, if your use cases are limited to: - setting a timer - dictating a title to search on Apple TV

You can use Siri to call custom Shortcuts which in turn can ask for more details if required. And now that Shortcuts can make use of the LLMs (Apple’s or ChatGPT), there are a lot more ways to make Siri smarter.

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Could you elaborate a bit on why you've judged it as privacy theatre? I'm skeptical but uninformed, and I believe Mullvad are taking a similar approach.

The gov’t can force them to reveal any user’s data and slap them with a gag order so no one will ever know this happened.

All user data is E2E encrypted, so the government literally cannot force this. This has been the source of numerous disputes [0, 1] that either result in the device itself being cracked [0] (due to weak passwords or vulnerabilities in device-level protection) or governments attempting to ban E2E encryption altogether [1].

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple%E2%80%93FBI_encryption_d...

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crypto_Wars

Re: Apple picks Gemini to power Siri

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Why they are constantly so bad at AI but so good at everything else?

There's no reason to think that Apple would have any more skill at making a frontier AI model as they do at making airplanes or growing soybeans. Not much overlap between consumer electronics design and expertise, data, training, and datacenters needed for AI.

Re: Apple picks Gemini to power Siri

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This is one of those announcements that actually just excites me as a consumer. We give our children HomePods as their first device when they turn 8 years old (Apple Watch at 10 years, laptop at 12) and in the 6 years I have been buying them, they have not improved one ounce. My kids would like to listen to podcasts, get information, etc. All stuff that a voice conversation with Chatgpt or Gemini can do today, but Siri isn't just useless-- it's actually quite frustrating!

Re: Apple picks Gemini to power Siri

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This is a bit of a layer cake: 1. The first issue is that there is significant momentum in calling Siri bad, so even if Apple released a higher quality version it will still be labelled bad. It can enhance the user's life and make their device easier to use, but the overall press will be cherrypicked examples where it did something silly. 2. Basing Siri on Google's Gemini can help to alleviate some of that bad press,…

re 3: I doubt Google is going to hand over the weights to Apple to put on device.
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