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The struggle of resizing windows on macOS Tahoe

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Re: The struggle of resizing windows on macOS Tahoe

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Post by flohofwoe »

CobrastanJorji wrote: post #44
lateforwork wrote: post #41

This behavior is similar to Windows 11. You have to position the mouse just outside the window. It is non-intuitive and awful. These are problems humanity solved over 35 years ago (see NeXTSTEP). Why are these designers breaking basic features that worked for over 35 years?

This is probably not a coincidence. I can pretty much guarantee you a developer said something to a designer like "hey, most of this is outside the window, is that fine?" and the designer said back "well, I think so, but let's check what Windows did," and then they okayed the decision at least in part because Windows did it.

Which is all the more bizarre, because historically it was usually Windows which copied MacOS ;)

That the roles got reversed became painfully clear when macOS copied the Windows Vista style popup mess for access permissions.

Re: The struggle of resizing windows on macOS Tahoe

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Post by stevage »

ianbutler wrote: post #28
GrowingSideways wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you interpret this comment for those of us that haven't used windows? All i can recall from "vista" is that it looked good

MetroUI in Windows 8 was pretty universally panned. I thought it was pretty good on tablets and such, but it left a lot to be desired on desktops and hid a lot of functionality, it went too mobile for a lot of people's tastes. Disclaimer: I was one of the dozens who used a windows phone. The Nokia Lumia 920 was great, you can fight me.

I think a lot of people liked the Windows mobile experience. Shame it didn't quite get enough market share.

Re: The struggle of resizing windows on macOS Tahoe

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Post by flohofwoe »

mbrumlow wrote: post #73

Idk. I don’t resize windows with the mouse at all. I use the key bindings to move to a tile position or fill screen. I almost always never use a mouse for more than maybe moving a tab to another window. So I am wondering, are people fighting using a Mac in the most effective way simply because of old patterns and habits?

Maybe you don't use the mouse because it just doesn't work as expected? ;)

> So I am wondering, are people fighting using a Mac in the most effective way simply because of old patterns and habit

"Most effective" doesn't mean "most intuitive". I don't want to learn keyboard shortcuts just to move or resize a window. That's the entire premise of graphical user interfaces.

Re: The struggle of resizing windows on macOS Tahoe

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Post by euazOn »

AndrewSwift wrote: post #14

FWIW: option double click sny corner to make any window full-screen without going into full screen mode. Double click any side or corner to move it to the edge of the screen, and hold down option to make the effect symmetric.

Ah yes, the classic Apple move of hiding basic functionality behind obscure shortcuts. Thanks for the tip.

Re: The struggle of resizing windows on macOS Tahoe

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Post by Nextgrid »

GrowingSideways wrote: post #19
signal11 wrote: post #9

Tahoe is a macOS mis-step on par with Windows 8 or Windows Vista. If you’re from Apple and reading this, my feedback is pretty succinct: “I don’t recommend others upgrade. I wish I didn’t.” Luckily for Apple, Windows 11 is not exactly in a position to attract switchers. Let’s see if Apple can turn things around. iOS 8+ did improve on iOS 7’s worst bits.

Can you interpret this comment for those of us that haven't used windows? All i can recall from "vista" is that it looked good

The Vista comparison is unfair. I think a lot of the bad rap Vista got was from trying to run it on underpowered hardware thanks to marketing XP-era machines as "Windows Vista Capable". I actually ran it on good HW (the kind that could run Crysis) and I didn't have anything bad to say.

Yes, UAC could be considered as annoyance by some but it's no different than "sudo" on single-user Linux machines and we seemingly have no problems with that (I wish we'd move on past that because it is damn annoying and offers no security benefit).

Comparing Vista to modern macOS is insulting. Vista didn't have that level of jank and the UIs were actually quite good, consistent and with reasonable information density, unlike "System Settings" or shitty Catalyst apps.

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