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Re: Anthropic: Developing a Claude Code competitor using Claude Code is banned

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post #44

As long as I have a Claude subscription, why do they care what harness I use to access their very profitable token inference business?

Because your subscription depends on the very API business.

Anthropic's cogs is rent of buying x amount of h100s. cost of a marginal query for them is almost zero until the batch fills up and they need a new cluster. So, API clusters are usually built for peak load with low utilization (filled batch) at any given time. Given AI's peak demand is extremely spiky they end up with low utilization numbers for API support.

Your subscription is supposed to use that free capacity. Hence, the token costs are not that high, hence you could buy that. But it needs careful management that you dont overload the system. There is a claude code telemetry which identifies the request as lower priority than API (and probably decide on queueing + caching too). If your harness makes 10 parallel calls everytime you query, and not manage context as well as claude code, its overwhelming the system, degrading the performance for others too. And if everyone just wants to use subscription and you have no api takers, the price of subscription is not sustainable anyway. In a way you are relying on others' generosity for the cheap usage you get.

Its reasonable for a company to unilaterally decide how they monetize their extra capacity, and its not unjustified to care. You are not purchasing the promise of X tokens with a subscription purchase for that you need api.

Re: Anthropic: Developing a Claude Code competitor using Claude Code is banned

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Imagine a world where Google has its product shit together and didn’t publish the AIAYN paper, and has the monopoly on LLMs and they are a black box to all outsiders. It’s terrifying. Thankfully we have extreme competition in the space to mitigate anything like this. Let’s hope it stays that way.

Re: Anthropic: Developing a Claude Code competitor using Claude Code is banned

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The corporate hypocrisy is reaching previously unseen levels. Ultra-wealthy thieves who got rich upon stealing a dragon horde worth of property are now crying foul about people following the same "ideals". What an absolute snowflakes. LLM sector is the only one where I'm rooting for Chinese corporations trouncing the incumbents, thus demonstrating FAFO principle in practice.

Re: Anthropic: Developing a Claude Code competitor using Claude Code is banned

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post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I signed up to Claude Pro when I figured out I could use it on opencode, so I could start things on Sonnet/Opus on plan mode and switch to cheaper models on build mode. Now that I can't do that, I will probably just cancel my subscription and do the dance between different hosted providers during plan phase and ask for a prompt to feed into opencode afterwards.

As of yesterday OpenAI seems to explicitly allow opencode on their subscription plans.

Yeah, but that would mean me giving money to Sam Altman, and that ain't happening.

Re: Anthropic: Developing a Claude Code competitor using Claude Code is banned

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I still did not get very clearly what can and can’t zed, open code and other do to use max plan? Developers want to use these 3p client and pay you 200 a month, why are you pissing us off. I understand some abuser exists but you will never really be possible to ban them 100%, technically. Very poor communication, despite some bit of reasonable intention, could be the beginning of the end for Claude Code.

> Developers want to use these 3p client and pay you 200 a month, why are you pissing us off

Presumably because it costs them more than $200 per month to sell you it. It's a loss leader to get you into their ecosystem. If you won't use their ecosystem, they'd rather you just go over to OpenAI.

Re: Anthropic: Developing a Claude Code competitor using Claude Code is banned

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post #11

I was all set to be pissed off, "you can't tell me what I can make with your product once you've sold it to me!" but no... This outrage bait hinges on the definition of "use" You can use Claude Code to write code to make a competitor for Claude Code. What you cannot do is reverse engineer the way the Claude Code harness uses the API to build your own version that taps into stuff like the max plan. Which? makes sense?…

The trick is to use Codex to write a Claude Code clone, Claude Code to write an Antigravity clone, and Antigravity to write a Codex clone. Good luck catching me, I'm behind 7 proxies.

or you just do it and be in the EU

it's a clear anti-competive clause by a dominant market leader, such clauses tend to be void AFIK

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