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RTX 5090 and Raspberry Pi: Can it game?

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Re: RTX 5090 and Raspberry Pi: Can it game?

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Post by bigstrat2003 »

cmxch wrote: post #67
wincy wrote: post #31

I assume the “anti-cheat” he brings up in Doom: The Dark Ages is actually Denuvo, which likely would have some issues running, although a January 2025 post on Phoronix indicates maybe it does work, or Denuvo support is being worked on? [0] Doom The Dark Ages is a single player game, so I’m not sure who you’d be cheating against, aside from maybe some real Buzz Killington’s saying you’re “cheating Microsoft by piratin…

Denuvo is malware, not anticheat.

Most anti-cheat solutions these days are literal rootkits. So that distinction is pretty blurry lately.

Re: RTX 5090 and Raspberry Pi: Can it game?

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Post by shmeeed »

scottjg wrote: post #36
jacquesm wrote: post #35

This is a funny project. Too many people taking this serious, it is more of a 'can it be done' because the physical interfaces suggest that it should be possible, and then to follow through on it to prove that yes it actually can be done. And tbh much better than I expected it to work. I can imagine that for GPU compute heavy and interconnect bandwidth constrained applications a combination like this might actually b…

i thought my post was already too long to include this, but to your point, you can run AI inference in this setup and the performance can be pretty good.

I appreciate you making the post not about AI.

Re: RTX 5090 and Raspberry Pi: Can it game?

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Post by bitwize »

throwaway894345 wrote: post #77
baby_souffle wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> what does it mean for a GPU to drive a boot sequence It's a quirk of the broadcom chips that the rpi family uses; the GPU is the first bit of silicon to power up and do things. The GPU specifically is a bit unusual, but the general idea of "smaller thing does initial bring up, then powers up $main_cpu" is not unusual once $main_cpu is ~ powerful enough to run linux.

That’s interesting, particularly since as far as I can tell, nothing in userland really bothers to make use of its GPU. I would really like to understand why, since I have a whole bunch of Pi’s and it seems like their GPUs can’t be used for much of anything (not really much for transcoding nor for AI).

You can play Quake on 'em.

Re: RTX 5090 and Raspberry Pi: Can it game?

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Post by hereonout2 »

alnwlsn wrote: post #29
drnick1 wrote: post #16

I think the conclusion here is that Raspberry Pis are now too pricey (especially when factoring in the various required accessories) and rarely make sense for typical desktop use vs. x86 mini-PCs. They make even less sense compared to various used thin clients that can generally be found on eBay.

It would make a lousy desktop computer even if it was 10x as powerful. - high current 5V USB power supply you probably don't have - HDMI micro port you have like 1 cable for - PCIe through very fragile ribbon cable + hodgepodge of adapters - more adapters needed for SSD - no case, but needs ample airflow - power input is on the side and sticks out GPIO is the killer feature, but I'll be honest, 99% of the hardware ha…

I dunno, I brought a pi 500+ with an SSD, 16GB RAM, little screen, PSU, mouse and cables. It was around £300.

It's not super powerful but my young kids use it to surf the net, play Minecraft, do art projects, etc. (we are yet to play with the gpio).

I don't get on with the keyboard but otherwise would make a decent development machine for me, considering my development starts with me ssh'ing into some remote VM and running vim.

The whole lot is tiny and extremely portable, we pack it away in a draw when not in use.

All in it felt like good value for money for something that took about 3 minutes to get up and running.

Re: RTX 5090 and Raspberry Pi: Can it game?

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Post by samlinnfer »

nomel wrote: post #72
hamdingers wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're paying a premium for physical compatibility with a ton of niche accessories. Whether or not they make sense depends on how important those accessories are to your use case. That and the prices never really came back down to earth after the chip shortage hikes.

> You're paying a premium for physical compatibility No. There are a bunch of alternatives with some to full pin compatibility. Some being many times faster [1]. No new projects should use a new Raspberry Pi. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OQ5ascBuCw

Your video rates the PI as 10 for support, 10 for ease of use and 7 for performance. Just the support and ease of use is enough. You're paying for a mature ecosystem where you know things work and you don't have to waste time struggling.

Re: RTX 5090 and Raspberry Pi: Can it game?

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Post by moffkalast »

bityard wrote: post #65
drnick1 wrote: post #16

I think the conclusion here is that Raspberry Pis are now too pricey (especially when factoring in the various required accessories) and rarely make sense for typical desktop use vs. x86 mini-PCs. They make even less sense compared to various used thin clients that can generally be found on eBay.

For desktop use cases, sure. But the Pi's target market is makers and educators who want small and efficient and can interface easily with peripherals like cameras and GPIO. Desktop users and low-end home labbers are a distant second.

Small yes, efficient no. It's more or less on par with comparable minipcs in power draw, needs an active cooler and idles at over 3W. That's more than a Pi 2 uses going flat out. They keep increasing power draw with marginal efficiency gains and don't bother to do much power management. It's absolutely atrocious compared to the average smartphone SoC.

I really hope there's some kind of battery oriented low wattage high efficiency version planned someday, because we're up to requiring a 5A power supply and it's getting absurd.

Re: RTX 5090 and Raspberry Pi: Can it game?

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Post by codeflo »

throwaway894345 wrote: post #77
baby_souffle wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> what does it mean for a GPU to drive a boot sequence It's a quirk of the broadcom chips that the rpi family uses; the GPU is the first bit of silicon to power up and do things. The GPU specifically is a bit unusual, but the general idea of "smaller thing does initial bring up, then powers up $main_cpu" is not unusual once $main_cpu is ~ powerful enough to run linux.

That’s interesting, particularly since as far as I can tell, nothing in userland really bothers to make use of its GPU. I would really like to understand why, since I have a whole bunch of Pi’s and it seems like their GPUs can’t be used for much of anything (not really much for transcoding nor for AI).

> their GPUs can’t be used for much of anything (not really much for transcoding nor for AI)

It's both funny and sad to me that we're at the point where someone would (perhaps even reasonably) describe using the GPU only for the "G" in its name as not "much of anything".

Re: RTX 5090 and Raspberry Pi: Can it game?

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Post by sznio »

theden wrote: post #75

Way back when I was young and broke, I played through Half Life 2 and the episodes on a ThinkPad T420 using an ExpressCard/34 PCMCIA to PCI with a graphics card I borrowed and an old crappy PSU I pulled from a business Dell desktop. Managed to complete the games with decent graphics and framerate at the time. It wasn't an ideal setup, but I didn't care. In fact, I thought it was a cool hack to play games at the time…

I tried a similar setup when in college, albeit with a X230 and a 1050Ti, and it worked amazing... for a few minutes at a time, since it blue-screened often.

I never managed to figure out the issue. The BSOD was something about a gpu timeout. It worked perfectly at home but shat the bed at the dorm. I assume there was some nasty interference there.

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