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Memoir by Steve Jobs’ eldest daughter describes ways he was cruel to her (2018)

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Re: Memoir by Steve Jobs’ eldest daughter describes ways he was cruel to her (2018)

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When Jobs was alive I could still play YouTube videos with my screen locked, I could listen to music with a set of conventional headphones, and iOS did not yet suffer from the storage bug.

So, the trains ran on time?

The implication being that Steve Jobs was the leader of a genocidal regime and I am his supporter?

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When someone is long dead, what is the point in one-sided accusations about their character?

For me, it is important to know and reflect on these stories so we can collectively heal and learn from them, regarding child abuse, narcissism, and especially (what is also mentioned in the article) enabling such abuse. This is why I posted it.

If we bury these stories, and always only talk about it when people are long dead or not at all, we as communities will not evolve out of those patterns. A culture that "honors the dead" by not talking about the bad stuff they've done is catering to its abusers.

Today, we should talk about Trump, Musk, etc, also in the light of how they treat their children. And what we can and should do to protect those that cannot protect themselves.

We all have responsibility - the ability to respond. If we look away from the stories, we will also look away when something happens near us. And it should encourage us to grow in how we treat other people (especially children) around us. Yes, this can bring up difficult feelings about our own acts, and our own childhood experiences. And it should.

Re: Memoir by Steve Jobs’ eldest daughter describes ways he was cruel to her (2018)

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Every day you decide not to donate a fraction of your income to medicine in Africa. How many deaths are you responsible for?

You are. We are. With our powers, and money is one of them, comes responsibility. We can decide how and if you respond, but it's still ours.

Re: Memoir by Steve Jobs’ eldest daughter describes ways he was cruel to her (2018)

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Interesting little detail buried near the end: > Powell Jobs and Jobs' sister have said in a statement that the book "differs dramatically from our memories of those times." I've learned from experience that people who aggressively denounce others publicly sometimes have stuff going on that isn't readily visible. It's not that I want Jobs to be free of moral stain. I have no investment in it. But people should be cau…

Differing from your memory and differing from reality aren't the same thing. Nor is it uncommon that "the stepmom doesn't like the estranged kids" Nor is it uncommon that a deadbeat dad is an asshole. Whether or not it's true, common sense and the available evidence certainly favor Lisa.

Jobs was a raging asshole and misanthropist famous for treating his coworkers and employees like shit -- luckally he was able to deliver, and everyone forgets that shitty behavior.

it's not crazy to think he was like at that home, too.

Re: Memoir by Steve Jobs’ eldest daughter describes ways he was cruel to her (2018)

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I did work for Apple while he was there, and he was entirely decent. I came to believe that there was a bratty entitled personality from his 20s that gave rise to most the jerk stories people reference, and that he wised up after being ousted (probably for being that jerk). He was essentially exiled for the better part of a decade.

The jerk was there from the beginning. A friend's mom was temp-hired by two young guys, both named Steve, to help them set up their first company office. She liked one of the Steves but declined the offer to join their new company as the first office manager because the other Steve was an a-hole.

that fits the early Steve vs post firing learned humility of Steve that was there after NeXT merged [ edit : typo ]

Re: Memoir by Steve Jobs’ eldest daughter describes ways he was cruel to her (2018)

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Differing from your memory and differing from reality aren't the same thing. Nor is it uncommon that "the stepmom doesn't like the estranged kids" Nor is it uncommon that a deadbeat dad is an asshole. Whether or not it's true, common sense and the available evidence certainly favor Lisa.

Jobs was a raging asshole and misanthropist famous for treating his coworkers and employees like shit -- luckally he was able to deliver, and everyone forgets that shitty behavior. it's not crazy to think he was like at that home, too.

> treating his coworkers and employees like shit

I worked with some of them and have one as a friend on FB (we're all dying off). I was too young to get in on early Apple for a firsthand account. S.Jobs was universally known as a rageaholic, among his other qualities. This is portrayed well enough in much of the infotainment media produced about him.

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To make sure history doesn't only remember the good things like their accomplishments. He was often really mean in person, that's pretty clear from his biography (and I also heard from some people who met him). Seeing him remembered as a tech saint is weird then. I'm glad I never worked for Apple while he was there. Though I have unfortunately worked for someone with very similar traits. Even though he is dead and ca…

I did work for Apple while he was there, and he was entirely decent. I came to believe that there was a bratty entitled personality from his 20s that gave rise to most the jerk stories people reference, and that he wised up after being ousted (probably for being that jerk). He was essentially exiled for the better part of a decade.

You worked for a multi-thousand-employee company, and therefore can certify the moral fiber behind closed doors of the CEO?

Re: Memoir by Steve Jobs’ eldest daughter describes ways he was cruel to her (2018)

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When someone is long dead, what is the point in one-sided accusations about their character?

Jobs' daughter has made assertions about Jobs' behavior.

You are literally questioning why we are bothering to try to learn historical facts.

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> There's no question in my mind that having kids gets in the way of single-minded vision that's required of the kind of career success that Jobs had. It's a common misconception because so many psychopaths become examples of "successful businessmen" but they're not successful PEOPLE. Steve's arrogance literally killed him, his insistence he knew better than everyone made him ignore his cancer until it was too late.…

When Jobs was alive I could still play YouTube videos with my screen locked, I could listen to music with a set of conventional headphones, and iOS did not yet suffer from the storage bug.

> When Jobs was alive I could still play YouTube videos with my screen locked

I still can today. It's background mode, part of Youtube Premium.

> I could listen to music with a set of conventional headphones

You can still do that, too. USB-C to headphone adapters are easy to use and cheap. Lots of folks complain about the lack of headphone jacks, but if you have a cable from your headphones, 4 more inches for the adapter at the end is not a problem.

> and iOS did not yet suffer from the storage bug.

No but when he was alive it had lots of other bugs.

And Steve was still not a great person. So for all these allowances, we can't rewrite history.

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