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Re: Dell admits consumers don't care about AI PCs

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Post by nottorp »

ericmcer wrote: post #25
FfejL wrote: post #10

> It's not that Dell doesn't care about AI or AI PCs anymore, it's just that over the past year or so it's come to realise that the consumer doesn't. I wish every consumer product leader would figure this out.

People will want what LLMs can do they just don't want "AI". I think having it pervade products in a much more subtle way is the future though. For example, if you close a youtube browser tab with a comment half written it will pop up an `alert("You will lose your comment if you close this window")`. It does this if the comment is a 2 page essay or "asdfasdf". Ideally the alert would only happen if the comment seemed…

> The end result is I only have to deal with that annoying popup when I really am glad it is there.

Are you sure about that? It will trigger only for what the LLM declares important, not what you care about.

Is anyone delivering local LLMs that can actually be trained on your data? Or just pre made models for the lowest common denominator?

Re: Dell admits consumers don't care about AI PCs

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Post by anthonypasq »

everdrive wrote: post #30
ericmcer wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People will want what LLMs can do they just don't want "AI". I think having it pervade products in a much more subtle way is the future though. For example, if you close a youtube browser tab with a comment half written it will pop up an `alert("You will lose your comment if you close this window")`. It does this if the comment is a 2 page essay or "asdfasdf". Ideally the alert would only happen if the comment seemed…

Using such an expensive technology to prevent someone from making a stupid mistake on a meaningless endeavor seems like a complete waste of time. Users should just be allowed to fail.

if somone from 1960 saw the quadrillions of cpu cycles we are wasting on absolutely nothing every second, they would have an aneurysm

Re: Dell admits consumers don't care about AI PCs

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Post by nottorp »

afavour wrote: post #18
neilsimp1 wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree with you, and I don't want anything related to the current AI craze in my life, at all. But when I come on HN and see people posting about AI IDEs and vibe coding and everything, I'm led to believe that there are developers that like this sort of thing. I cannot explain this.

I see using AI for coding as a little different. I'm producing something that is designed for a machine to consume and react to. Code is the means by which I express my aims to the machine. With AI there's an extra layer of machine that transforms my written aims into a language any machine can understand. I'm still ambivalent about it, I'm proud of my code. I like to know it inside out. Surrendering all that feels a…

> I like to know it inside out. Surrendering all that feels alien to me.

It's okay, you'll just forget you were ever able to know your code :)

Re: Dell admits consumers don't care about AI PCs

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Post by nkrisc »

ericmcer wrote: post #25
FfejL wrote: post #10

> It's not that Dell doesn't care about AI or AI PCs anymore, it's just that over the past year or so it's come to realise that the consumer doesn't. I wish every consumer product leader would figure this out.

People will want what LLMs can do they just don't want "AI". I think having it pervade products in a much more subtle way is the future though. For example, if you close a youtube browser tab with a comment half written it will pop up an `alert("You will lose your comment if you close this window")`. It does this if the comment is a 2 page essay or "asdfasdf". Ideally the alert would only happen if the comment seemed…

It’s because “AI” isn’t a feature. “AI” without context is meaningless.

Google isn’t running ads on TV for Google Docs touting that it uses conflict-free replicated data types, or whatever, because (almost entirely) no one cares. Most people care the same amount about “AI” too.

Re: Dell admits consumers don't care about AI PCs

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Post by expedition32 »

ericmcer wrote: post #25
FfejL wrote: post #10

> It's not that Dell doesn't care about AI or AI PCs anymore, it's just that over the past year or so it's come to realise that the consumer doesn't. I wish every consumer product leader would figure this out.

People will want what LLMs can do they just don't want "AI". I think having it pervade products in a much more subtle way is the future though. For example, if you close a youtube browser tab with a comment half written it will pop up an `alert("You will lose your comment if you close this window")`. It does this if the comment is a 2 page essay or "asdfasdf". Ideally the alert would only happen if the comment seemed…

Honestly some of the recommendations to watch next I get on Netflix are pretty good.

No idea if they are AI Netflix doesn't tell and I don't ask.

AI is just a toxic brand at this point IMO.

Re: Dell admits consumers don't care about AI PCs

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Post by stonogo »

soupfordummies wrote: post #46
tpurves wrote: post #11

Dell is cooked this year for reasons entirely outside their control. DRAM and storage/drive shortages are causing costs of those to go to the moon. And Dell's 'inventory' light supply chain and narrow margins puts them in a perfect storm of trouble.

So it was RAM a couple months ago and now storage/drives are going to the moon also?

It was RAM a couple months ago, and it continues to be RAM. Major RAM manufacturers like SK Hynix are dismantling NAND production to increase RAM manufacturing, which is leading to sharp price increases for solid-state storage.

Re: Dell admits consumers don't care about AI PCs

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Post by xcjs »

thesh4d0w wrote: post #22
whalesalad wrote: post #8

I'm kind of excited about the revival of XPS. The new hardware sounds pretty compelling. I have been longing for a macbook-quality device that I can run Linux on... so eagerly awaiting this.

I owned a couple XPS 13 laptops in a row and liked them a lot, until I got one with a touch bar. I returned it after a couple weeks and swapped over the to X1 Carbon. The return back to physical buttons makes the XPS look pretty appealing again.

This is exactly what I was hoping to see. I also returned one I ordered with the feedback that I needed physical function keys and the touchbar just wasn't cutting it for me.

Re: Dell admits consumers don't care about AI PCs

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Post by xnx »

> It's not that Dell doesn't care about AI or AI PCs anymore, it's just that over the past year or so it's come to realise that the consumer doesn't.

This seems like a cop out for saving cost by putting Intel GPUs in laptops instead of Nvidia.

Re: Dell admits consumers don't care about AI PCs

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Post by Tsiklon »

JohnFen wrote: post #75
beloch wrote: post #28

"We're very focused on delivering upon the AI capabilities of a device—in fact everything that we're announcing has an NPU in it—but what we've learned over the course of this year, especially from a consumer perspective, is they're not buying based on AI," Terwilliger says bluntly. "In fact I think AI probably confuses them more than it helps them understand a specific outcome." -------------- What we're seeing here…

> People don't care if a computer has a NPU I actually do care, on a narrow point. I have no use for an NPU and if I see that a machine includes one, I immediately think that machine is overpriced for my needs.

Alas NPUs are in essentially all modern CPUs by Intel and AMD. It’s not a separate bit of silicon, it’s on the same package as the CPU

Re: Dell admits consumers don't care about AI PCs

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Post by wredcoll »

wavemode wrote: post #76
wredcoll wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The hammer doesn't decide that the thing it's swinging at is vaguely thumb-shaped and self-destruct. Sawstop literally patented this and made millions and seems to have genuinely improved the world. I personally am a big fan of tools that make it hard to mangle my body parts.

sawstop is not AI

Sure, where's the line?

If you want to tell me that llms are inherently non-deterministic, then sure, but from the point of view of a user, a saw stop activating because the wood is wet is really not expected either.

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