It’s not just facial it’s also gait recognition too.
> It’s not just facial it’s also gait recognition too Source? Where would they get the fingerprints from?
Fingerprints?
Wrong appendages, unless I don't know what "gait" means
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#82When China did this, this was seen as a terrible violation of rights.... Now that we do this hundreds of times a day, it has become routine.
>"When China did this, this was seen as a terrible violation of rights.... Now that we do this hundreds of times a day, it has become routine." Normally questions like this would be labeled as whataboutism, false equivalence etc. One rule for thee, another one for me. Personally I think we (The West) are heading to disaster. I really missed older times before 9/11
America is not the West. There are a lot of things wrong in my country but we don't worship Jesus nor billionaires.
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#83Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yup, I agree. And this is why I think mass surveillance isn’t just another technology to regulate. The chilling effect isn’t misuse; it’s the default: continuous, opaque observation changes behavior by itself. Because it’s centralized and unavoidable, people self-censor and conform; you don’t need arrests once everyone assumes they’re being scored. We don’t yet have long-run examples of fully algorithmic surveillance…
I think especially heinous is the use of Zero-Knowledge (ZK) Proof technologies where a centralized attestation authority (e.g. government agency) verifies compliance, and the verifier (e.g. business needing to prove compliance) relies on the ZK cryptographic proof of compliance without revealing the individual. This revocable privacy can unmask the real identity in the case of asserted "suspicious" activity. This is…
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#84Earlier quoted context omitted.
China is already doing abominable things; how people react to additional surveillance is always related to what the state is actually doing with that information. So a system that supports the abduction of polital rivals (an actual human rights violation) is not the same as a system that supports the lawful arrest of someone breaking a law that's accepted as part of a democracy. I also think the scale of investment p…
In both systems the law is being carefully followed to support inhumane goals
Why do we need to give free stuff to every person that wades across the southern border?
What is our legal or moral obligation to eviscerate our already-limited social safety net for outsiders who, by and large, do not contribute to them?
You are free to die on the cross and spend your income this way, but how is it "humane" to use violence (taxes) to reappropriate the fruits of my labor for your special interests?
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#85Depending on the crime, most people would agree that face/gait recognition is warranted, for example in case of murder or rape. The difference here is that some people consider "illegal immigration" to be more like a misdemeanor, others consider it to be something much more serious.
> others consider it to be something much more serious.
We have limited funds for social safety nets for our own citizens: how is it not "serious" that we would deplete them on folks who are willfully and intentionally breaking our rules for financial benefit?
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#86It's not the technology. The American people voted for this. That is the real discussion you should have. Why do Americans want fascism?
> Why do Americans want fascism?
Americans don't want to expend their tax dollars on folks willing to break the law for financial gain.
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#87Just a reminder that DHS just posted on Twitter for the holidays about how much of a paradise the US will be after 100 million "deportations".
And that we don't have close to 100 million immigrants.
That the "kavanaugh stop" allows them to detain you on he basis of skin color or accent.
And that a driver's license with Real ID is no longer sufficient "papers".
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#88Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Beijing showed the way. We followed their path. lol, just like China invented social credit scores which are for social control and definitely not like US credit scores which are just good business sense Edit: to be clear I am saying this from a US centric viewpoint. China is catching up but they’ve been behind us for over a century tech wise and the US has been really good at pioneering new forms of injustice. I’m…
> like China invented social credit scores which are for social control and definitely not like US credit scores which are just good business sense …yes. You don’t get your credit score dinged because you tweeted something naughty. You can be a felon with perfect credit.
You should read up on China's credit score. There are a lot of misinformations about it online. In effect, it does little more than the US credit scores that inspired it.
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#89When China did this, this was seen as a terrible violation of rights.... Now that we do this hundreds of times a day, it has become routine.
But china is safe and clean and nice, so it might be worth it. Anyway we got no privacy anymore, cameras are everywhere and we all captured on someone hard disk, so might as well take advantage of the benefits that comes with this technology
China is not "safe, clean and nice" for everybody.
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Hypothetically speaking couldn't you collect it from any security camera in an area where you have positive ID on people? Airport security comes to mind. With all the trade in personal data in the US I assume it's only a matter of time before places like grocery stores start selling it. Why stop at just gait though? Geometric fingerprinting of various body parts is also possible. Palm geometry readers have been commo…
> couldn't you collect it from any security camera in an area where you have positive ID on people? Airport security comes to mind Going out on a limb and guessing illegal migrants aren’t going through airport security.
That's just one that comes to mind. Anywhere that has positive ID would work. Which if we account for data brokers can potentially include anywhere you use a credit card. (Yes that will not be a perfect 1 to 1. Obviously that doesn't really matter in practice. LE is used to dealing with lots of noise.)
But suppose there's no hit. That's a hit in and of itself. Someone just needs to have the idea to have the software that ICE agents use flag anyone who fails all recognition methods (facial, gate, etc) because it means they haven't been through an airport, haven't crossed a border in a legal manner, don't have a passport, and don't show up with any of the data brokers.