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Trump says Venezuela’s Maduro captured after strikes

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Re: Trump says Venezuela’s Maduro captured after strikes

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

epistasis wrote: post #75

There has been no congressional declaration of war, no AUMF, no nothing, right? The congress people who are military veterans recently put out a public service announcement reminding those in the military that they must refuse illegal orders, and Trump called that reminder of the law "treasonous" and said the veterans should be executed for reminding people of the law. There should be military tribunals for all invol…

> There has been no congressional declaration of war, no AUMF, no nothing, right?

No. From an international-law perspective, Trump is stepping into the footprints left by Putin, Xi, Netanyahu, Khamenei and his own predecessors in D.C.

From a domestic-law perspective, this is un-Constitutional.

Re: Trump says Venezuela’s Maduro captured after strikes

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Post by slg »

As someone old enough to have seen the US invade too many countries, I'm struck by the lack of effort put into justifying this sort of military action these days. There is going to be a lot of debate over whether this specific operation was legal and I have no idea where the courts or history will ultimately land on that decision. But the way they don't even try to convince us this is necessary anymore is a sign that wherever the line is, we let it slip too far.

Re: Trump says Venezuela’s Maduro captured after strikes

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Post by tguvot »

dekrg wrote: post #5

It will be pretty amusing to watch all those westerners who, not so long ago, were talking about "rules based order" pretend nothing is happening or to justify it.

Going back 7 months: Germany’s Merz says Israel is doing the ‘dirty work for all of us’ by countering Iran

In this case probably attitude is probably similar

Re: Trump says Venezuela’s Maduro captured after strikes

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Post by sedan_baklazhan »

slg wrote: post #82

As someone old enough to have seen the US invade too many countries, I'm struck by the lack of effort put into justifying this sort of military action these days. There is going to be a lot of debate over whether this specific operation was legal and I have no idea where the courts or history will ultimately land on that decision. But the way they don't even try to convince us this is necessary anymore is a sign that…

Well, "Venezuela has stolen American oil which is in Venezuela".

Isn't that a justification?!

Re: Trump says Venezuela’s Maduro captured after strikes

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Post by thesumofall »

epistasis wrote: post #75

There has been no congressional declaration of war, no AUMF, no nothing, right? The congress people who are military veterans recently put out a public service announcement reminding those in the military that they must refuse illegal orders, and Trump called that reminder of the law "treasonous" and said the veterans should be executed for reminding people of the law. There should be military tribunals for all invol…

No American, but the War Powers Resolution seems to allow for these kind of actions? That doesn’t make them any better but I was wondering the same thing

Re: Trump says Venezuela’s Maduro captured after strikes

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

slg wrote: post #82

As someone old enough to have seen the US invade too many countries, I'm struck by the lack of effort put into justifying this sort of military action these days. There is going to be a lot of debate over whether this specific operation was legal and I have no idea where the courts or history will ultimately land on that decision. But the way they don't even try to convince us this is necessary anymore is a sign that…

> the way they don't even try to convince us this is necessary anymore is a sign that wherever the line is, we let it slip too far

A lot of Americans don't care. They either actually don't care. Or they sort of care, but are too lazy and nihilistic to bother doing anything about it.

Like, this entire exercise is a leveraged wager by the Trump administration that this will not cost them the Senate in any of these states next year [1].

[1] https://www.270towin.com/2026-senate-election/

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