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CIA Star Gate Project: An Overview (1993) [pdf]

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Re: CIA Star Gate Project: An Overview (1993) [pdf]

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Post by therobots927 »

dylan604 wrote: post #80
FuturisticLover wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I guess that makes sense. My tiny brain is still processing all the information. Thinking beyond 3D or space/time is impossible for me.

Long ago I was told of looking at a timeline so that time "travels" from left to right is the normal view, but now rotate that timeline so that it appears as a dot to you. You now see all events of the timeline, but without reference to "when" they happened. Lots of scifi plots are also described as such

Think about a maze drawn on a piece of paper. Because we’re in 3D you can see all of the maze at once but if you were a 2D entity inside the maze you would only see the walls / entrances / exits directly in front or behind you. Now imagine drawing a line from the entrance to the exit - that’s 2D + a time dimension. Now make it a 3D maze and an entity existing outside of spacetime would be able to see all events happening at once in 3D.

Re: CIA Star Gate Project: An Overview (1993) [pdf]

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Post by the_af »

noworld wrote: post #79
the_af wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Extraordinary claims (that RV is a real phenomenon) require extraordinary evidence. The null hypothesis is the default position, it requires no extraordinary evidence; the opposite does. This is scientific method 101. Let's not pretend we're not familiar with it just because some dodgy CIA document surfaced.

Ah, since the claim contradicts materialism, you get to make up a scenario, present no evidence, then put the burden on the other side. Got it. There's literally extraordinary evidence in the PDF, you just don't like it.

I didn't make up any scenario. RV is the made up scenario.

If you want to reject the scientific method go ahead, but you won't find much sympathy here.

Re: CIA Star Gate Project: An Overview (1993) [pdf]

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Post by the_af »

noworld wrote: post #57
ZYbCRq22HbJ2y7 wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There just as much completely unrelated to the incident in that as there is related. Also, what guarantee is there that whomever created that document didn't just date it two days prior to acquire more funding for doing spooky things?

I don't think there's a "guarantee" that it wasn't backdated, but there isn't any evidence of that either.

Since backdating would be one of the ways to fake this, the onus lies in those that claim the prediction was legit.

That's how evidence works for extraordinary claims. Alas, scientific rigor is a harsh master.

Re: CIA Star Gate Project: An Overview (1993) [pdf]

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Post by escanda »

sph wrote: post #75
escanda wrote: post #73

I am from Spain and know some agents. Those are also known events under the freemasonry term umbrella. I have seen, after writing through Tor to a known intelligence agency, a ministry of a cabinet through my inner eye, or whatever you may call it. Black and white video so to speak. I was even threatened by a twice loaded gun so I could go away to my own businesses in that affair. I can talk without being in the same…

Given that you yourself have admitted you have schizophrenia in a recent comment, I find it hard to give much weight to your “paranormal” experiences. Confirmation bias affects all, those that can hear voices and those that can’t. I hope you understand.

I understand you might be 19 years old and you might not yet understand fully what surrounds you. Better you don't.

Re: CIA Star Gate Project: An Overview (1993) [pdf]

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Post by freejazz »

stuffn wrote: post #71
m4ck_ wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean yeah, that's the Americas in general since Europeans first put eyes on it. ~500 years of brutality and slaughter in pursuit of profit. We're gonna do it again in Venezuela and probably Denmark/Greenland. C'est la vie

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> Before the evil Europeans set their greedy eyes on the new world there was peace, love, and ecstasy every single day.

That's reading a lot into the other post.

Re: CIA Star Gate Project: An Overview (1993) [pdf]

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Post by fumeux_fume »

sxp wrote: post #44

For those who want to consider the mundane explanation about remote viewing: remember that humans can still be surprised by the birthday paradox and other synchronicities that occur when sampling data at large scale. So across thousands of sessions, the weak coincidences documented by the Stargate project are expected. For those who want a skeptical & cynical view: if remote viewing works, it would be part of the sta…

Just go to wikipedia for the mundane explanation: data leakage to the judges of poorly designed experiments. Absolutely zero reproducibility.

Re: CIA Star Gate Project: An Overview (1993) [pdf]

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Post by DANmode »

krapp wrote: post #15
meindnoch wrote: post #2

TLDR? Goat-staring is real?

"real" in that the program existed and research was done? Yes. "real" in that remote viewing and psychic powers actually exist? No. The CIA researched a ton of "mind-control" techniques under MKULTRA too but that doesn't mean they can control your mind. The government has programs to research UFOs but that doesn't mean aliens are buzzing our skies and kidnapping our cattle. I think what we're really seeing here is ju…

> that doesn't mean they can control your mind.

If the attacker has physical access, assume your system is not safe.

Re: CIA Star Gate Project: An Overview (1993) [pdf]

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Post by mnky9800n »

the_af wrote: post #63
kjkjadksj wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The issue with remote viewing as the CIA understood it was not that it didn’t work. By all means there are documents that indicated it did work. The difficulty however was that the training program was unreliable and insufficient to establish a reliable pipeline to competency like other military skills.

The "difficulty" with remote viewing is nonsense pseudoscience and crackpottery. It absolutely does not work. Not "unreliably", but not work at all. This reminds me of that one time on HN when someone tried to convince me that ritual witchcraft (I think they called it blood magic) on servers was a real thing, necessary to make them work, and my dismissal was typical of narrow minded people.

I would be supportive of blood magic if it made things work lol
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