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All my Deutschlandtickets gone: Fraud at an industrial scale [video]

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Re: All my Deutschlandtickets gone: Fraud at an industrial scale [video]

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Post by panick21_ »

ngruhn wrote: post #57
panick21_ wrote: post #54

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Most local and S-Bahn trains in Germany are pretty decent, data is pretty clear on this. Its not Swiss level but still pretty good. Nothing compare to ICE.

not sure what you count RB/RE as, but they are absolutely broken as well in my experience.

I can't say what your experience is and what 'absolutely broken' means. There is data on these things. I can only tell you what the data says. Could be you are in region that is worse then others. Or your definition of 'absolutely broken' is different then most peoples.

Re: All my Deutschlandtickets gone: Fraud at an industrial scale [video]

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Post by striking »

nottorp wrote: post #72
striking wrote: post #30

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Instead of making a fuss, have you considered taking another look at the video page? It includes a summary that helps show why those technical facts are actually relevant in the context of German society, and hints at how those things came to happen. I would normally not bother with a comment, but this time I'm genuinely curious as to how someone might have missed scrolling down to see the summary. (edit: the fussy b…

> I'm genuinely curious as to how someone might have missed scrolling down to see the summary. Pretty simple. On my laptop the video fits 100% in the browser tab and there is no indication that there is more content under it. There is no text except the video title in the portion that I see when the page loads. And the link is marked [video] on HN. So I simply closed it.

That's fair, appreciate it. I guess some folks were just unlucky.

Re: All my Deutschlandtickets gone: Fraud at an industrial scale [video]

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Post by rcbdev »

lachiflippi wrote: post #25
chvid wrote: post #20

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The problem is the lack of centralization - there should obviously only be one issuer of this ticket and thus just only one website / app to keep bug free.

Lack of centralization is one part of it (see also: communal digital services), yes, but the complete lack of standards and guidelines is also a massive issue. I tried buying a Deutschlandticket from the DB Navigator app a while back, and immediately ran into some issues: - they only take credit card, probably because of the massive SEPA fraud they've had happen - they require id verification with a third party(!), w…

> they only take credit card, probably because of the massive SEPA fraud they've had happen

Does Germany not have a free state-run e-payment system such as Austria's EPS? If not, it wouldn't be too hard to implement if there is political will to stop this fraud.

Re: All my Deutschlandtickets gone: Fraud at an industrial scale [video]

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Post by fxwin »

yorwba wrote: post #79
fxwin wrote: post #67

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thats great, but they are on time 85% of the time vs long distance trains' 62% https://www.deutschebahn.com/de/konzern/konzernprofil/zahlen... see my other comment too

If you take a train to work five days a week and it's "on time" (not delayed by 6 minutes or more) 85% of the time, you'll be late on at least one day most weeks. Hardly very punctual. Personally, I think they should just abandon timetables, run trains as fast as they can, and if you need to be somewhere by a certain time, you give the planner a target reliability and it uses a probabilistic model of the entire syste…

true, the actual word used is less important to me than the distinction between long distance trains and regional trains, since those get conflated quite a bit in this discussion.

Re: All my Deutschlandtickets gone: Fraud at an industrial scale [video]

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Post by ygra »

panick21_ wrote: post #80
Pamar wrote: post #60

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Not sure I understand your point about Everybody already has local regional tickets anyway. And most people can't be in more then one place at the time anyway. And most people stay in the same region most of the time anyway. I live in Rostock. So if I want to go to Berlin or Hamburg (you know, where stuff like actual airports are) I am crossing "regional borders" even if it is a 200-250 km trip to each city

Most people don't use regional services to travel long distances. And you pay for proper inter-city services. The point is, if you are in Hamburg, you are no longer in Rostock. So you are only using regional services in exactly one place.

At least from Rostock to somewhat closer destinations you have both options. There's a bi-hourly IC to Hamburg or Berlin and another bi-hourly RE towards the same destinations. They're not terribly different in terms of travel time, but one is a regional train and one is an inter-city train.

Sure, long distances (I had to travel from Rostock to Tübingen last weekend) are typically not taken with regional trains (although you technically can; I did that as a poor student a few times, it just takes 16 hours instead of 10), but over medium distances (around 2–3 hours) you often have both options.

Re: All my Deutschlandtickets gone: Fraud at an industrial scale [video]

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Post by lachiflippi »

chvid wrote: post #58
lachiflippi wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lack of centralization is one part of it (see also: communal digital services), yes, but the complete lack of standards and guidelines is also a massive issue. I tried buying a Deutschlandticket from the DB Navigator app a while back, and immediately ran into some issues: - they only take credit card, probably because of the massive SEPA fraud they've had happen - they require id verification with a third party(!), w…

Isn’t that one of the problems mentioned in the video? Being able to buy and get the ticket before the payment is fully validated? (Or did your local Verkehrsverbund require you to use another payment for the initial purchase other than bank transfer?)

If purchasing via SEPA there's a wait period until the payment has cleared, if payment is done via credit card/[Apple|Google] Pay/PayPal fulfillment is instant.
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