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NYC phone ban reveals some students can't read clocks

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Re: NYC phone ban reveals some students can't read clocks

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This makes me wonder what methods of transferring information we may have lost historically that we don't even recognize? Will there be analog clocks in 30 years? It seems somewhat doubtful, particularly if this generation can't read them. What benefit is there to keep this antiquated method around, aside from just as an historical reference? I'm in my 50s, so I can read an analog clock, and I have analog watches. Bu…

Cursive writing first that comes to my mind.

Re: NYC phone ban reveals some students can't read clocks

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Teenagers.

They’re still children and regardless of your definition, my statement still applies.

Not necessarily.

You're trying to play with words to make it sound like what I'm saying is crazy, but you're doing it incorrectly. Not all teenagers are children, no.

Re: NYC phone ban reveals some students can't read clocks

#83

What boggles my mind is that some people see clocks everyday and don't have the curiosity to go learn about it.

I think some cultures (especially sub Saharan ones) didn’t really have a concept of precise time in their language. It’s lead to things like “Africa time”: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_time

I think we all suffer from a lot of bias and assumptions about how other cultures operate. I also wonder if above article correlates with race - similar to a lot of other recent declining US education stats, it tracks pretty well with white % of population going down.

Re: NYC phone ban reveals some students can't read clocks

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That's a good point. The hour hand moves continuously as an artifact of technical constraints on the original clocks -- which I think is a great example of achieving a balance between UI and technical feasibility -- but we don't technically need them to work that way anymore, and digital clocks work exactly like that. With that said, it's not obvious that we should use the jump hour UI[1]. It's desirable to have the…

Having discrete jumps on a mechanical analog clock is not a particularly hard problem. Certainly easier that shrinking an accurate mechanical time keeping device down to wrist watch size. For that matter getting a purely digital display out of a mechanical clock is not diffucult either either. If there was a strong demand for such a product, they would have caught on before the 7 segment display made them the cheapes…

>Having discrete jumps on a mechanical analog clock is not a particularly hard problem.

I meant at the creation of the first clocks.

>For that matter getting a purely digital display out of a mechanical clock is not diffucult either either.

I don't know where I implied otherwise.

Re: NYC phone ban reveals some students can't read clocks

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post #47

This makes me wonder what methods of transferring information we may have lost historically that we don't even recognize? Will there be analog clocks in 30 years? It seems somewhat doubtful, particularly if this generation can't read them. What benefit is there to keep this antiquated method around, aside from just as an historical reference? I'm in my 50s, so I can read an analog clock, and I have analog watches. Bu…

> This makes me wonder what methods of transferring information we may have lost historically that we don't even recognize? - Gregg shorthand. - Labanotation (like music scores, but for dance) - Morse code - Punched tickets (not for machines, but for train tickets and bus transfers) - Railroad car chalk markings (where does this car go?) - Hand signals for railroad yards, cranes, etc.

Just gonna jump in here with three more:

- Telegraph brevity codes (e.g. Bentley, Marconi)

- Telex codes and various predecessors to ASCII (plus even what Telex hardware looks like in a lot of cases)

- Heraldry

Re: NYC phone ban reveals some students can't read clocks

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I feel like most of these comments have ignored the article. They were taught how to read clocks, in first and second grade. Then they had no need of the skill for most of a decade and it atrophied. I suspect many would struggle to remember some of the things we had down well in elementary school, like writing fully in cursive, knowing the difference between types of rocks and clouds, or giving some full speech you h…

Uhm I don't know, I used to have a dumb phone in middle school. And since then I have always read the time in 24h format in my life. But I never struggle to read a conventional clocks, nor I get confused about the am/pm 12h format. The concept around the clock is just too simple to just forget.

This sounds like a case of sloppiness of their educators.

Re: NYC phone ban reveals some students can't read clocks

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This framing aggravates me. Of course they /can/ read clocks. You just haven't _taught_ them how to do it yet, and up until now, they've had no reason to do it. It's divisive and weird.

Bullshit. Information is everywhere, if they WANTED to learn how to read them they could go on wikipedia or youtube. That excuse could've worked when I was a teenager, where to learn something you have to either learn it from a person or from a book, but not nowadays.

OK, so they don't want to. So what?

Re: NYC phone ban reveals some students can't read clocks

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We also see thousands of other things everyday. You can't be curious about everything. Analog clocks, roman numerals and Morse code are unnecessary in modern living for 99%+ people, just like it's unnecessary for them to know why the moon always faces the same way or how a car engine works or what technologies are used by their computer monitor. It's good to know these facts exist and that they can be learned, but th…

For some that's about it, and others just go and learn them because they're interested.

You only learn about a tiny fraction of the things you see on a daily basis. Why? Is it because you're too lazy and stupid to learn about the others, as you seem to be implying throughout your comments here?

Re: NYC phone ban reveals some students can't read clocks

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Is learning how to read an analogue clock really an effective use of one's time? I myself was taught how an am able to read an analogue clock, but I doubt that I would be much worse off without that abulity.

Why learn anything, just ask chatgpt gang, amirite.

For knowledge you only use occasionally and always in a context where reference (conventional or AI) is available, why not? That frees up memory/resources to learn more important stuff, the stuff where consulting reference might be too slow or not available.

Re: NYC phone ban reveals some students can't read clocks

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This makes me wonder what methods of transferring information we may have lost historically that we don't even recognize? Will there be analog clocks in 30 years? It seems somewhat doubtful, particularly if this generation can't read them. What benefit is there to keep this antiquated method around, aside from just as an historical reference? I'm in my 50s, so I can read an analog clock, and I have analog watches. Bu…

The power thing is a red herring. "Analog" clocks are almost always electric and digital under the hood. And battery technology has been good enough for them to stay powered for longer than actual analog clocks for decades. If you really wanted to, you can create an entirely mechanical digital clock. The main benefit of the analog style output is in the ability to quickly read the output. You can get an approximate s…

I'm going to counter that the "you can get a quicker approximate sense with a much quicker glance" is a red herring.

Equal if not worse than your argument for analog clocks all being digital under the hood. :)

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