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ICE's interest in high-tech gear raises new questions: 'What is it for?'

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Re: ICE's interest in high-tech gear raises new questions: 'What is it for?'

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Every single story this user submits is political hate. Every comment they make is political hate. And yet they're a multi-year power account with over 10,000 karma. What is the justification for allowing such accounts to exist, other than the mods being complicit with it?

Re: ICE's interest in high-tech gear raises new questions: 'What is it for?'

#83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I cannot comment on whether America is becoming a police state or not because i am a greencard holder subject to cancellation of the greencard at any time at the whims of the current administration.

Unfortunately even if you naturalize, they're now floating the concept of denaturalization for people opposed to the regime. It is wise if you are or were a legal immigrant (or have family members who are), to keep your head down.

> Unfortunately even if you naturalize, they're now floating the concept of denaturalization for people opposed to the regime.

They're now floating that birthright citizenship under the 14th isn't really a birthright:

* https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/prot...

* https://www.npr.org/2025/03/14/nx-s1-5327552/trump-takes-bir...

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteenth_Amendment_to_the_Un...

Re: ICE's interest in high-tech gear raises new questions: 'What is it for?'

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ICE is being used as the tip of the spear to complete the transition of the USA to a police state

The US has been a police state since the Patriot Act was passed.

Oh? Really? Has this madness been happening in the other 23 of the 24 years since its passage? At this scale? Were there a lot of masked men disappearing people in broad daylight?

I'd have figured that if you were looking at historic examples of the US being a police state, the Jim Crow South would have been a better one, or if you were a homosexual, really, any time prior to the 90s.

Re: ICE's interest in high-tech gear raises new questions: 'What is it for?'

#85

Asking as a foreigner who wants to travel to Cali to visit the Computer History Museum sometimes in the future: What is the plan for ICE? Is it going to get more manpower and $$$ to expand its responsibility?

Half the country violently doesn't want you here, and you should oblige them by taking your money and attention elsewhere. There are plenty of more deserving locations.

Re: ICE's interest in high-tech gear raises new questions: 'What is it for?'

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post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US has been a police state since the Patriot Act was passed.

Oh? Really? Has this madness been happening in the other 23 of the 24 years since its passage? At this scale? Were there a lot of masked men disappearing people in broad daylight? I'd have figured that if you were looking at historic examples of the US being a police state, the Jim Crow South would have been a better one, or if you were a homosexual, really, any time prior to the 90s.

yes, since uniformed people have gained legal rights to touch my junk in order for me to be allowed to board the plane (not to mention that they took my toothpaste twice) - every year since then. we have lost every ounce of freedom after 9/11 and this “madness” today is nothing new, we just take for granted now what our own “freedoms” have been reduced to

Re: ICE's interest in high-tech gear raises new questions: 'What is it for?'

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post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh? Really? Has this madness been happening in the other 23 of the 24 years since its passage? At this scale? Were there a lot of masked men disappearing people in broad daylight? I'd have figured that if you were looking at historic examples of the US being a police state, the Jim Crow South would have been a better one, or if you were a homosexual, really, any time prior to the 90s.

yes, since uniformed people have gained legal rights to touch my junk in order for me to be allowed to board the plane (not to mention that they took my toothpaste twice) - every year since then. we have lost every ounce of freedom after 9/11 and this “madness” today is nothing new, we just take for granted now what our own “freedoms” have been reduced to

Have the TSA disappeared a lot of people? Flown them out to foreign torture prisons, and thrown away the key? Ignored judicial orders to return them?

(I'm also not entirely sure why they are touching your junk, I've not had that happen in any of my security checkpoint experiences.)

Look, while I'm as happy as the next person to bitch about how awful the TSA is, if they are your best example of the US being a police state... It's not particularly persuasive. Most police states don't limit their capacity for repression to throwing you out of an airport without a refund for your ticket.

Re: ICE's interest in high-tech gear raises new questions: 'What is it for?'

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Yes. Arresting people for civil infractions (such as overstaying a visa, or even citizens caught in drag nets or protests) and taking them to 3rd party nations for detention is definitely a tactic a totalitarian police state would employ. Public health is equivocally one of the few places the constitution is defined for (general welfare of the people). This is something they used to teach in civics classes, I wonder…

Schools can barely teach reading and math. So civics is probably a de facto study hall at this point.

Re: ICE's interest in high-tech gear raises new questions: 'What is it for?'

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post #87

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yes, since uniformed people have gained legal rights to touch my junk in order for me to be allowed to board the plane (not to mention that they took my toothpaste twice) - every year since then. we have lost every ounce of freedom after 9/11 and this “madness” today is nothing new, we just take for granted now what our own “freedoms” have been reduced to

Have the TSA disappeared a lot of people? Flown them out to foreign torture prisons, and thrown away the key? Ignored judicial orders to return them? (I'm also not entirely sure why they are touching your junk, I've not had that happen in any of my security checkpoint experiences.) Look, while I'm as happy as the next person to bitch about how awful the TSA is, if they are your best example of the US being a police s…

Try having an Arab name next time.

Re: ICE's interest in high-tech gear raises new questions: 'What is it for?'

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post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh? Really? Has this madness been happening in the other 23 of the 24 years since its passage? At this scale? Were there a lot of masked men disappearing people in broad daylight? I'd have figured that if you were looking at historic examples of the US being a police state, the Jim Crow South would have been a better one, or if you were a homosexual, really, any time prior to the 90s.

yes, since uniformed people have gained legal rights to touch my junk in order for me to be allowed to board the plane (not to mention that they took my toothpaste twice) - every year since then. we have lost every ounce of freedom after 9/11 and this “madness” today is nothing new, we just take for granted now what our own “freedoms” have been reduced to

> this “madness” today is nothing new

What is with this tendency to downplay the current drastic escalations? It feels like a kind of hipster denialism - "I was complaining about the US being a police state before it was cool" but also if it's this is "nothing new" then there's nothing to really earnest worry about, right?

How hard is it to acknowledge that we have been gradually losing our rights AND that the Trumpist bonfire is a marked departure into something much more rapid?

Surely you can see the difference between a society where occasional flagrant abuses happen but the majority can still speak out about them, versus a society where abuses are routine and anybody who speaks out becomes a target at scale?

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