Well, as Jeff Atwood famously said [0], "any application that can be written in JavaScript, will eventually be written in JavaScript". I guess that applies to embedded systems too
Fabrice Bellard Releases MicroQuickJS
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Re: Fabrice Bellard Releases MicroQuickJS
#82If there were a software engineering hall of fame, I nominate Fabrice.
His consistency and craftsmanship is amazing.
Being an engineer and coding at this stage/level is just remarkable- sadly this trade craft is missing in most (big?) companies as you get promoted away into oblivion.
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#83Earlier quoted context omitted.
And, I don't have to run a binary to try your product. The web has a lot of flaws, but it's a good way to deliver properly sandboxed applications with low hassle on the part of the user. I've built my fair share of native vs web apps, and I vastly prefer working on web apps. As a user, I vastly prefer web apps for most things. Not all things, but most. No, I don't want to install your crappy app on my computer and ri…
I can't think of a single thing where I prefer a web app over a native alternative, unless it's for one-off use.
Most of the “apps” are 200 MB native monstrosities that could be served by 20 kb of JS.
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#84Earlier quoted context omitted.
It is because you keep over promoting AI almost every day of the week in the HN comments. In this particular case AI has nothing to do with Fabrice Bellard. We can have something different on HN like what Fabrice Bellard is up to. You can continue AI posting as normal in the coming days.
Forget about the AI bit. Do you think it's interesting that MicroQuickJS can be used from Python via FFI or as a compiled module, and can also be compiled to WebAssembly and called from Node.js and Deno and from Pyodide running in a browser? ... and that it provides a useful sandbox in that you can robustly limit both the memory and time allowed, including limiting expensive regular expression evaluation? I included…
Usually I watch your stuff very closely (and positively) because you're pushing the edges of how LLMs can be useful for code (and are a lot more honest/forthwright than most enthusiasts about it Going Horribly Wrong and how much work you need to do to keep on top of it.) This one... looks like a crossbar of random things that don't seem like things anyone would actually want to do? Mentioning the sandboxing bit in the first post would have helped a lot, or anything that said why that particular modes are interesting.
Re: Fabrice Bellard Releases MicroQuickJS
#85Clarification added later : One of my key interests at the moment is finding ways to run untrusted code from users (or generated by LLMs) in a robust sandbox from a Python application. MicroQuickJS looked like a very strong contender on that front, so I fired up Claude Code to try that out and build some prototypes. I had Claude Code for web figure out how to run this in a bunch of different ways this morning - I hav…
Down to -4. Is this generic LLM-dislike, or a reaction to perceived over-self-promotion, or something else? No matter how much you hate LLM stuff I think it's useful to know that there's a working proof of concept of this library compiled to WASM and working as a Python library. I didn't plan to share this on HN but then MicroQuickJS showed up on the homepage so I figured people might find it useful. (If I hadn't dis…
Your tireless experimenting (and especially documenting) is valuable and I love to see all of it. The avant garde nature of your recent work will draw the occasional flurry of disdain from more jaded types, but I doubt many HN regulars would think you had anything but good intentions! Guess I am basically just saying.. keep it up.
Re: Fabrice Bellard Releases MicroQuickJS
#86Earlier quoted context omitted.
It is because you keep over promoting AI almost every day of the week in the HN comments. In this particular case AI has nothing to do with Fabrice Bellard. We can have something different on HN like what Fabrice Bellard is up to. You can continue AI posting as normal in the coming days.
Forget about the AI bit. Do you think it's interesting that MicroQuickJS can be used from Python via FFI or as a compiled module, and can also be compiled to WebAssembly and called from Node.js and Deno and from Pyodide running in a browser? ... and that it provides a useful sandbox in that you can robustly limit both the memory and time allowed, including limiting expensive regular expression evaluation? I included…
It's interesting but I don't think it belongs as a comment under this post. I can use LLMs to create something tangential for each project posted on HN, and so can everyone else. If we all started doing this then the comment section will quickly become useless and not on point.
Re: Fabrice Bellard Releases MicroQuickJS
#87Fabrice Bellard is widely considered one of the most productive and versatile programmers alive: - FFmpeg: https://bellard.org - QEMU: https://bellard.org/qemu/ - JSLinux: https://bellard.org/jslinux/ - TCC: https://bellard.org/tcc/ - QuickJS: https://bellard.org/quickjs/ Legendary.
Don't forget his LZEXE from the good old DOS days which was an excellent piece of work at the time.
Self-decompressing executables felt like magic to me at the time. Fantastic work, overall.
Re: Fabrice Bellard Releases MicroQuickJS
#88Clarification added later : One of my key interests at the moment is finding ways to run untrusted code from users (or generated by LLMs) in a robust sandbox from a Python application. MicroQuickJS looked like a very strong contender on that front, so I fired up Claude Code to try that out and build some prototypes. I had Claude Code for web figure out how to run this in a bunch of different ways this morning - I hav…
Down to -4. Is this generic LLM-dislike, or a reaction to perceived over-self-promotion, or something else? No matter how much you hate LLM stuff I think it's useful to know that there's a working proof of concept of this library compiled to WASM and working as a Python library. I didn't plan to share this on HN but then MicroQuickJS showed up on the homepage so I figured people might find it useful. (If I hadn't dis…
I think many subscribe to this philosophy: https://distantprovince.by/posts/its-rude-to-show-ai-output-...
Your github research/ links are an interesting case of this. On one hand, late AI adopters may appreciate your example prompts and outputs. But it feels like trivially reproducible noise to expert LLM users, especially if they are unaware of your reputation for substantive work.
The HN AI pushback then drowns out your true message in favor of squashing perceived AI fluff.
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#89Earlier quoted context omitted.
> that means being compatible with websites that normal people use No, new adhering websites would emerge and word of mouth would do the rest : normal people would see this fast nerd-web and want rid of their bloated day-to-day monster of a web life. One can still hope..
Just like all those normal people want rid of their bloated day-to-day monster of a web and therefore go and do something like, say, install an ad blocker? Oh right. 99% of people don't do even that , much less switch their life over to entirely new websites.
I don't care to run an ad blocker because sites are still bloated and slow.
Re: Fabrice Bellard Releases MicroQuickJS
#90Fabrice Bellard is widely considered one of the most productive and versatile programmers alive: - FFmpeg: https://bellard.org - QEMU: https://bellard.org/qemu/ - JSLinux: https://bellard.org/jslinux/ - TCC: https://bellard.org/tcc/ - QuickJS: https://bellard.org/quickjs/ Legendary.
Whenever someone says there's no such thing as a 10x programmer, I point them to Fabrice and they usually change their mind.