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AI Police Reports: Year in Review

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Re: AI Police Reports: Year in Review

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Post by skywhopper »

throwuxiytayq wrote: post #58
fzeroracer wrote: post #55

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The only way LLM search engines save time is if you take what it says at face value as truth. Otherwise you still have to fact check whatever it spews out which is the actual time consuming part of doing proper research. Frankly I've seen enough dangerous hallucinations from LLM search engines to immediately discard anything it says.

Of course you have to fact check - but verification is much faster and easier than searching from scratch.

For most things, no it isn’t. The reason it can work well at all for software is that it’s often (though not always) easy to validate the results. But for giving you a summary of some topic, no, it’s actually very hard to verify the results without doing all the work over again.

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Post by consp »

zhoujianfu wrote: post #38
charcircuit wrote: post #37

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AI is smarter than everyone already. Seriously, the breadth of knowledge the AI possesses has no human counterpart.

AI has more knowledge than everyone already, I wouldn't say smarter though. It's like wisdom vs intelligence in D+D (and/or life).. wisdom is knowing things, intelligence is how quick you can learn / create new things.

Knowledge is what I see equivalent with a big library. It contains mostly correct information in the context of the book (which might be incorrect in general) and "ai" is very good at taking everything out of context, Smashing a probability distribution over it and picking an answer which humans will accept. E.g. it does not contain knowledge, at best the vague pretense of it.

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Post by Timwi »

figassis wrote: post #77
roenxi wrote: post #60

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As far as I can tell from poking people on HN about what "AGI" means, there might be a general belief that the median human is not intelligent. Given that the current batch of models apparently isn't AGI I'm struggling to see a clean test of what AGI might be that a human can pass.

Being an intelligent being is not the same as being considered intelligent relative to the rest of your species. I think we’re just looking to create an intelligence, meaning, having the attributes that make a being intelligent, which mostly are the ability to reason and learn. I think the being might take over from there no? With humans, the speed and ease with which we learn and reason is capped. I think a very dum…

Why would the dumb intelligence be less constrained than a human in making itself smarter?

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Post by design2203 »

gambiting wrote: post #44
krainboltgreene wrote: post #39

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Man, what are we supposed to do with people who think the above?

I don't know, it's kinda terrifying how this line of thinking is spreading even on HN. AI as we have it now is just a turbocharged autocomplete, with a really good information access. It's not smart, or dumb, or anything "human" .

It just shows that true natural intelligence is difficult to define by proxy.

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Post by chrz »

Marha01 wrote: post #45
futuraperdita wrote: post #16

What worries me is that _a lot of people seem to see LLMs as smarter than themselves_ and anthropmorphize them into a sort of human-exact intelligence. The worst-case scenario of Utah's law is that when the disclaimer is added that the report is generated by AI, enough jurists begin to associate that with "likely more correct than not".

> a lot of people seem to see LLMs as smarter than themselves Well, in many cases they might be right..

So tired of this argument.

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Post by latentsea »

intended wrote: post #21
futuraperdita wrote: post #16

What worries me is that _a lot of people seem to see LLMs as smarter than themselves_ and anthropmorphize them into a sort of human-exact intelligence. The worst-case scenario of Utah's law is that when the disclaimer is added that the report is generated by AI, enough jurists begin to associate that with "likely more correct than not".

Reading how AI is being approached in China, the focus is more on achieving day to day utilty, without eviscerating youth employment. In contrast, the SV focus of AI has been about skynet / singularity, with a hype cycle to match. This is supported by the lack of clarity on actual benefits, or clear data on GenAI use. Mostly I see it as great for prototyping - going from 0 to 1, and for use cases where the operator i…

Well at least DeepMind is doing nifty things like solving the protein folding problem.

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Post by metalman »

zhoujianfu wrote: post #38
charcircuit wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

AI is smarter than everyone already. Seriously, the breadth of knowledge the AI possesses has no human counterpart.

AI has more knowledge than everyone already, I wouldn't say smarter though. It's like wisdom vs intelligence in D+D (and/or life).. wisdom is knowing things, intelligence is how quick you can learn / create new things.

AI has zero knowledge, as to know something is to have done it, or seen it first hand. AI has access to a great deal of data, much of it aquired through criminal action, but no way to evaluate that information other than cross checking for citations and similar occurances. Even for a human, infering things is difficult and uncertain, and so we regularly see AI fall of the cliff of cohearant word salading. We are heading strait at an idiocracy writ large that is trying to hide there raciorilgio insanity behind algorythims. Sometimes it's hard to tell, but it seems that a hairdresser has just been put in charge of the US passport office, which is highy sugestive of a new top level program to issue US citizenship on demand, but everbody else will be subject to the "impartiality" of privatly owned and operated AI policing.

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Post by computerthings »

Marha01 wrote: post #45
futuraperdita wrote: post #16

What worries me is that _a lot of people seem to see LLMs as smarter than themselves_ and anthropmorphize them into a sort of human-exact intelligence. The worst-case scenario of Utah's law is that when the disclaimer is added that the report is generated by AI, enough jurists begin to associate that with "likely more correct than not".

> a lot of people seem to see LLMs as smarter than themselves Well, in many cases they might be right..

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