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Re: Independent review of UK national security law warns of overreach

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Post by gbil »

flowerthoughts wrote: post #17

> He warns that developers of apps like Signal and WhatsApp could technically fall within the legal definition of "hostile activity" simply because their technology "make[s] it more difficult for UK security and intelligence agencies to monitor communications. Sounds like Let's Encrypt would also fall under that. This has got to stop. If you want to stop criminals, then focus on their illegal activites, not the stree…

Curtains should also fall under the same category because they do make it more difficult for UK security and intelligence agencies to monitor suspect activities. Then of course you also have walls...

The argument is so fundamentally stupid that they should be embarrassed just putting it down in writing!

Re: Independent review of UK national security law warns of overreach

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Post by Tostino »

sjzhakaijzg wrote: post #53
miroljub wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't understand why you got heavily downvoted. Yes, there are governments that are worse than European, but the decline of European government is the fastest. You may be surprised that the UK is the world leader in the number of people arrested because of internet posts. And that Germany, which is still way behind the UK, has more people arrested for the same reason than Russia, China, North Korea, Iran, Belarus,…

No one is getting 20 years for tweet content in the UK like they are in Saudi Arabia. No grandmother is being arrested for holding up a blank sign like in Russia. I can go on just with the reported stuff from memory for an hour wrt Iran, North Korea and China. I don't even know how many books it would take to read to learn of all the examples worse that aren't. Look I think there are problems with the UK's policy her…

They may not be arrested for a blank sign, but they are being arrested for holding anti-genocide signs.

Re: Independent review of UK national security law warns of overreach

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Post by bilekas »

amelius wrote: post #30

Soon in the UK: "That photo you took looks too noisy. You could be hiding data in it!"

This was my first exact thought.. "That payload that went over the wire looks like gibberish, send in the SWAT team".

These arguments are so ridiculous. Privacy is now a weapon of terror apparently.

Re: Independent review of UK national security law warns of overreach

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Post by logicchains »

squigz wrote: post #26
RcouF1uZ4gsC wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually it opens them up to being phished by the government. There have been several high profile cases where because of searching for custom communication services, groups ended up being vulnerable.

How many cases have there been of groups successfully finding and use private communication services?

>How many cases have there been of groups successfully finding and use private communication services?

Probably a lot, given how booming the illegal drug market is. Obviously you don't hear about the successful ones, you only hear about the incompetent ones that get caught.

Re: Independent review of UK national security law warns of overreach

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Post by andy_ppp »

flowerthoughts wrote: post #17

> He warns that developers of apps like Signal and WhatsApp could technically fall within the legal definition of "hostile activity" simply because their technology "make[s] it more difficult for UK security and intelligence agencies to monitor communications. Sounds like Let's Encrypt would also fall under that. This has got to stop. If you want to stop criminals, then focus on their illegal activites, not the stree…

This is about the astonishing lack of ability in the political class in the UK. The security services are honestly wagging the dog and they think they can force some kind of key escrow eventually, but instead they’ll just destroy software development in the UK and possibly financial services.

It’s the same with the multi billion ID cards and digital ID which is almost impossible for a government as incompetent as this one to implement.

Re: Independent review of UK national security law warns of overreach

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Post by gitremote »

miroljub wrote: post #42
mosura wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This has got to stop. If you want to stop criminals, then focus on their illegal activites, not the streets they walk on. That would be against everything european governments stand for.

I don't understand why you got heavily downvoted. Yes, there are governments that are worse than European, but the decline of European government is the fastest. You may be surprised that the UK is the world leader in the number of people arrested because of internet posts. And that Germany, which is still way behind the UK, has more people arrested for the same reason than Russia, China, North Korea, Iran, Belarus,…

The decline of the US government is the faster than "Europe", because it's been declining rapidly in a few months. The US government currently has a monthly quota for ICE arrests. ICE agents racially profile people and ignore non-white people telling them they are US citizens because they assume they are lying. Non-white US citizens need to have papers on them that prove their status (US citizen), or else might be disappeared. The US government now bans immigrants from a list of dark skin countries but fast-tracks White South Africans for immigration. It politically persecutes their political opponents and ignores the rule of law. It is preparing for war with Venezuela, which would conveniently tie up US resources as Russia positions itself for entering Europe.

The UK is rapidly declining as a close second, but calling it "European" (especially when UK citizens see themselves as non-European) is just a lazy generalization.

Re: Independent review of UK national security law warns of overreach

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Post by pfortuny »

"Claims" in the title is misleading. He (It/They, I guess it is an organism, not a single person) is _warning_ about that, same as this page always does. So, it is not an infamous claim, it is a warning to all affected parties (i.e. also the government).

Re: Independent review of UK national security law warns of overreach

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Post by antonvs »

cluckindan wrote: post #24
N_Lens wrote: post #9

I wonder how the public in the UK feels about their country quickly devolving into an oversurveilled state.

Remember, remember, the fifth of November…

You should mention the year.

That incident was four hundred and twenty years ago. There was no Great Britain, no United Kingdom. Scotland was an independent country.

The UK today is not the same place, not in the slightest.

Re: Independent review of UK national security law warns of overreach

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Post by bilekas »

immibis wrote: post #80
McDyver wrote: post #6

It makes a lot of sense. Whoever wants to continue developing "these apps" will do it privately, and sell the service to those who want to keep doing things in hiding. Well done, watchdog! So again, it just harms the general public, while making it harder to catch criminals.

It makes it easier to catch criminals, since anyone who has the app is a criminal. I believe they already treat GrapheneOS this way.

"The arrests will continue until privacy is removed"

Re: Independent review of UK national security law warns of overreach

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Post by mihaaly »

You, UK regulators and law enforcement, shall learn first how to do your frickin job!

Intruding everyone's privacy is not that!

Should everyone hand in their full recording of private conversations and full track of movements per month so you can filter out those breaking the law and claim you did your job?! NO!

Or better yet, should everyone spend two weeks in a high-security jail every three years, just so you can claim that, statistically speaking, crimes were punished? So your life can be easy, you can kick back, and collect paychecks? You'd like that, wouldn't you?! Maybe farmers can ask people making food for themselves but still collecting money for it, shouldn't they?

If you must intrude the privacy of all people then you are just a buch of incompetent idiots without a clue how to chase the actual criminals instead of harassing honest people! Exposing everyone to bad actors. Which is a crime on its own, by the way!

If you are unable to do without privacy violations for everyone then get a job you are able to carry out!

Walls, locks, gates, and all such are made for a purpose: to protect people. Don't break them!

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