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How getting richer made teenagers less free

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Re: How getting richer made teenagers less free

#81

It's 10pm; do you know where your kids are? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LJeBbhPYBs

Every time I hear that PSA I’m reminded of the acid track “where is your child”

https://youtu.be/sDyxyRcZWBA?si=sqDnodWQ-jWKCdCH

(I know the song came long after the PSA)

Re: How getting richer made teenagers less free

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And it also creates permanent adulescents, scared of responsibilities, scared of commitment, scared of exploring. I've seen it countless times with teenagers in my family, they're overgrown babies.

wonder whats gonna happen in a decade or two when our youngest and brightest minds have all been penned by a culture disconnected from reality

Re: How getting richer made teenagers less free

#83

I grew up in the late 80s/early 90s, and came from a rural place with a lot of poverty and at best working class people. We'd be outside all day long - being inside was considered a privilege. Weekdays and weekends. Decades later, most of my peers have middle-class jobs. Their kids are barely outside. Their parents are involved with them from morning to evening, or chauffeuring them between sports and other extracurr…

A trend amongst peers I have noticed ... people are parenting in the opposite manner to the way their werre raised.

Your parents were very active / suffocating ... do free range parenting. Your parents let you roam outside with few sports, clubs and activities ... do 7 day a week scheduled activities.

You went to private school ... send kids to shittiest free school you can find.

Re: How getting richer made teenagers less free

#84

It's 10pm; do you know where your kids are? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LJeBbhPYBs

10pm is a different animal. Out that late and I dont know where they are? 18+ (Probably some culutral reference I am missing in this video?)

My parents generation was so laisse faire with their child rearing that they ran ads to remind them to go figure out where we were.

Re: How getting richer made teenagers less free

#85
post #28

And it also creates permanent adulescents, scared of responsibilities, scared of commitment, scared of exploring. I've seen it countless times with teenagers in my family, they're overgrown babies.

wonder whats gonna happen in a decade or two when our youngest and brightest minds have all been penned by a culture disconnected from reality

There's something ironic about posting this on HN, where likely a large percentage of us practically grew up on the Internet.

Re: How getting richer made teenagers less free

#86
post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cars, I nearly got run over as a kid a few times Now as an adult I'd be worried about cycling around with cars that would hit me in the chest and not the legs on impact Also cars make it very easy for a stranger to pull up and kidnap, parents subconsciously know that and factor it into their decisions There was also youth clubs where I grew up and a BMX track and no phones so play was mostly happening outside Society…

Ok I actually agree with you about debt and the general societal degradation, but kidnapping is a non-issue. In modern times there's a total of about 70 child kidnappings per year in the US. I am excluding parental kidnappings which sends that up by orders of magnitude, but I think that's fair because that's an entirely different issue and you specifically said stranger anyhow (though even of those 70 - a sizable chu…

What is included in the stats for kidnapping? Where I live a confused young man convinced a little girl to get on his ebike and forced her to ride along with him for a few hours before coming back to the neighbourhood and being stopped by police that was out in full force for him.

My point being, “only 70 a year in the US” sounds like a very low number and inconsequential number since we had an abduction close by already.

Any parent that has heard the same story is thinking of that instead of the stats.

Re: How getting richer made teenagers less free

#87

This remind me of that saying - no original version but it was like: tough times makes tough people, soft times makes soft people. And I hope it’s not true. But indeed the more choices you have in life, the harder it gets to chose the right thing to do.

Why can't this meme die? It is so obviously rubbish. Good times allow for a people to divert more energy to specialisation and growth and might and art and then displace the "hardened" people.

all living creatures are selfish to the core and will always optimize to minimize effort and maximize personal reward , therefore existing in a soft gentle system will result in acclimatization to a soft gentle system ... this universe is hostile impersonal harsh brutal and altogether basically not a place that anybody could ever be prepared for after having congealed in an insular bubble like the global west ... it is enjoyable seeing everyone here utterly in denial about this ... reminds me of militant atheists lambasting religion and then doubling down when i suggest that maybe healthy community gathering and values is more important than whether or not god is real ...

Re: How getting richer made teenagers less free

#88
post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It isn't about a particular time in history, it's about the individual. An individual who suffers hardships often has to endure to overcome said hardships. That makes the individual more resilient and more able to deal with future hardships. I think the phrasing can come across as a bit macho, which I don't think is the point. It's about resilience.

Overcoming hardships may leave people more resilient, but it may also leave them physical and/or psychological wrecks.

As someone who has had some serious hardship and is certainly more resilient because of it, I can also confirm the mental scarring that comes as ‘part of the package’.

I think to an extent the mental impact of it is a necessary evil. The future resilience manifests as a drive to not find yourself in the same (or an equally difficult) position again — because it’s so emotionally devastating — so you fight harder to not allow it to happen again. This makes a person more driven in general.

Another aspect is that you’ve seen how ‘deep’ an emotion can be (traumatic) and so more ‘everyday’ emotional events can seem much more trivial, making them easier to deal with. Although, it can sometimes leave the person seeming ‘cold’ emotionally. One thing I found was I was less tolerant of people without the level of resilience I had, which I had to work on.

Of course, there will be some people that can’t endure the initial hardship and don’t develop that resilience. My impression is that most people do endure and find a way to come out of the other side, like a basic survival instinct, although that’s purely anecdotal.

Re: How getting richer made teenagers less free

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post #28

And it also creates permanent adulescents, scared of responsibilities, scared of commitment, scared of exploring. I've seen it countless times with teenagers in my family, they're overgrown babies.

wonder whats gonna happen in a decade or two when our youngest and brightest minds have all been penned by a culture disconnected from reality

The great Fermi Filter maybe

Re: How getting richer made teenagers less free

#90
post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

wonder whats gonna happen in a decade or two when our youngest and brightest minds have all been penned by a culture disconnected from reality

There's something ironic about posting this on HN, where likely a large percentage of us practically grew up on the Internet.

while intelligence does tend to result in overfitting from my observations of smart people , nobody here grew up glued to short form content that has the same crash as cocaine
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