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Re: Developers can now submit apps to ChatGPT

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Post by czhu12 »

tyre wrote: post #15

What I really want from Anthropic, Gemini, and ChatGPT is for users to be able to log in with them, using their tokens. Then you can have open/free apps that don’t require the developer to track usage or burn through tons of tokens to demonstrate value. Most users aren’t going to manage API keys, know that that even means, or accept the friction.

In some ways, that’s what MCP interfaces are kind of for. It just takes one extra step to add the mcp url and go through oauth.

I assume the fall off there will be 99% of users though, the way it works today.

But this theoretically allows multiple applications to plugin into ChatGPT/claude/gemini and work together.

If someone adds zillow and… vanguard, your LLM can call both through mcp and help you plan a home buy

Re: Developers can now submit apps to ChatGPT

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Post by drsim »

aimon wrote: post #70

I think Brian Balfour called this well. It's the app store all over again. Have a platform. Open to the developers with a gold rush, then close the doors and monetise and canabalise the best uses cases. https://blog.brianbalfour.com/p/the-next-great-distribution-...

Distribution has always been monetized. What margin did a retailer take for putting your boxed software on the shelf? How about that magazine ad? Google search? And so on. Get over the idea that a platform should give you their distribution for free.

The problem comes when there is no way for you to own the distribution, pay nothing to the platform, and still be able to build on top of it. That’s the closed portion we should rally (legislate?) against.

There is an argument, similar to mine on distribution, that there is no inherent right that a platform should be open. That the extra utility that comes from being open should make the platform more competitive in the market vs. closed platforms.

The challenge is that with dominant platforms they are monopolistic. There is no chance for competitive forces to reward openness.

These two parts of the debate are often conflated, which hides what is truly troubling: dominant platforms controlling both distribution and access.

Re: Developers can now submit apps to ChatGPT

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Post by mertysn »

inetknght wrote: post #59
ttoinou wrote: post #22

How do developers prevent users exfiltrating their apps’ prompts?

Why should developers' prompts be proprietary at all?

I wouldn't say it has to be proprietary. Nevertheless, it's the information asymmetry that benefits the maintainer. One would have no incentive to publish there if their revenue stream can be easily cloned.

Re: Developers can now submit apps to ChatGPT

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Post by abrbhat »

tyre wrote: post #15

What I really want from Anthropic, Gemini, and ChatGPT is for users to be able to log in with them, using their tokens. Then you can have open/free apps that don’t require the developer to track usage or burn through tons of tokens to demonstrate value. Most users aren’t going to manage API keys, know that that even means, or accept the friction.

At some point the model providers will realize they don't need to provide apps, just enterprise-grade intelligence at scale in a pipe, much like utility companies providing electricity/water. Right now, they have to provide the apps to kick-off the adoption.

Re: Developers can now submit apps to ChatGPT

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Post by asimpleusecase »

ITS A TRAP! If your app is successful their infrastructure will see all the traffic, your responses and will be able to mimic what you do and kick the husk of your app in the weeds. (Unless your function comes from some massive unique dataset they can’t by access to.)

Re: Developers can now submit apps to ChatGPT

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Post by bonesss »

simianwords wrote: post #72
arresin wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google literally just released this on their GitHub. It must be in ether.

Right https://developers.googleblog.com/introducing-a2ui-an-open-p... I swear I had made this prediction quite a while back but thanks for pointing it out :D

I find that technology really exciting. Partly because it’s a polished and comprehensive version of something I was implementing around my MCP cluster anyways.

Mostly, though, because it seems like we’re mere minutes away from having Star Trek style LCARS adaptable GUIs managed by an AI computer system simultaneously so smart it runs mission critical operations yet so dumb we have to remind it that we want our tea “hot” five times a day.

It’s happening. We’re gonna be living in the future!

Re: Developers can now submit apps to ChatGPT

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Post by amelius »

drsim wrote: post #82
aimon wrote: post #70

I think Brian Balfour called this well. It's the app store all over again. Have a platform. Open to the developers with a gold rush, then close the doors and monetise and canabalise the best uses cases. https://blog.brianbalfour.com/p/the-next-great-distribution-...

Distribution has always been monetized. What margin did a retailer take for putting your boxed software on the shelf? How about that magazine ad? Google search? And so on. Get over the idea that a platform should give you their distribution for free. The problem comes when there is no way for you to own the distribution, pay nothing to the platform, and still be able to build on top of it. That’s the closed portion w…

The problem with these platforms is that there tend to be only a few of them, and regulation by the platform owner (inside their inner market) is worse than regulation by the government.

Re: Developers can now submit apps to ChatGPT

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Post by kgwgk »

abrbhat wrote: post #86
tyre wrote: post #15

What I really want from Anthropic, Gemini, and ChatGPT is for users to be able to log in with them, using their tokens. Then you can have open/free apps that don’t require the developer to track usage or burn through tons of tokens to demonstrate value. Most users aren’t going to manage API keys, know that that even means, or accept the friction.

At some point the model providers will realize they don't need to provide apps, just enterprise-grade intelligence at scale in a pipe, much like utility companies providing electricity/water. Right now, they have to provide the apps to kick-off the adoption.

> much like utility companies providing electricity/water

A capital intensive, low margin business. The dream of every company.

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