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Microsoft Copilot AI Comes to LG TVs, and Can't Be Deleted

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Re: Microsoft Copilot AI Comes to LG TVs, and Can't Be Deleted

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Post by brokenmachine »

AnonHP wrote: post #57
hapticmonkey wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My LG TV has been offline for the past 2 years (since I got it). I'm so much happier using the Apple TV. I know people want "dumb" displays, but the reality is that these OLED panels offer industry-leading image quality and benefit from economies of scale, where most users want some form of built-in OS. A signage board cannot compete on price or quality. As long as TV manufacturers let me run it offline without issue…

> but the reality is that these OLED panels offer industry-leading image quality Except in scenes with fire (like a campfire) or where some spots may have high brightness compared to the surroundings. The LG OLED TVs I’ve seen all go blank in such scenes. The TVs I’ve seen that have LCD panels don’t have this issue. It seems like the only way to disable it (after turning off power saving and a few other things) is to…

I have an LG OLED and have never seen it go blank on any scene.

It just looks great all the time. Especially on scenes like you describe with a dark scene with bright highlights. Campfire scenes look great, space scenes look great. That's what OLED is best at.

If you're talking about ABL, I've only noticed the dimming on ads or powerpoint lectures that have fully white backgrounds, and I've been thankful for it at those times because I find all-white backgrounds too bright to watch anyway.

Re: Microsoft Copilot AI Comes to LG TVs, and Can't Be Deleted

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Post by brokenmachine »

bdangubic wrote: post #75
bakugo wrote: post #31

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> As long as TV manufacturers let me run it offline without issue, I'm fine with that. I suspect that this won't be the case for much longer. Once you've stuffed the TV with all the ads and data harvesting you can, the logical next step is to ensure it doesn't work at all unless those ads are being watched and that data is being harvested.

I have used a projector my entire life, I have no idea why this isn’t a “thing” (especially with HN crowd-like communities)…

I have a projector that I never use because I don't like the fan noise.

They're great for sports though. Hard to beat an entire wall of screen.

I prefer OLED for TV and movies though.

Re: Microsoft Copilot AI Comes to LG TVs, and Can't Be Deleted

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Post by brokenmachine »

kankerlijer wrote: post #59
sangeeth96 wrote: post #50

For similar reasons many years back when I broke the bank for a G2, I decided to disconnect it forever. Besides the always-on spyware, every update broke something, which is incredibly frustrating considering the amount I spent. For instance, I got a GX soundbar for free with the TV which worked fine for 1–2 months until some update borked it and made it glitch out randomly. To date, none of their updates seem to hav…

Is it possible to use an LG without ever connecting it to the internet in the first place?

I've done that with both LG OLEDs that I've had.

Re: Microsoft Copilot AI Comes to LG TVs, and Can't Be Deleted

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Post by [deleted] »

Macha wrote: post #27
tuetuopay wrote: post #9

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Same happy boat here. Mine has never seen the light of network access. I just don’t trust these things at all.

I left a relative house sitting, specifically told them to use the Xbox if they need Netflix etc, and of course they connected the TV to the wifi and just hit accept on everything. Luckily it was still new enough that LG hadn’t put out a patch to cram it full of ads yet. After that I blocked the MAC address at my router.

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Re: Microsoft Copilot AI Comes to LG TVs, and Can't Be Deleted

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Post by SunlitCat »

drnick1 wrote: post #63
nerdponx wrote: post #17

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It doesn't matter if consumers don't like it if everyone does it. The only choice remaining then is to put up with it or not have a TV at all.

You can buy a "smart TV" and keep it offline. Use it as a monitor for a PC running Linux, from which you stream from your browser or dedicated apps like VacuumTube (Youtube Leanback).

Sadly, you get sometimes forced that "smart stuff" if you want it or not.

Had to order large tv sets at work, got LG ones. Working mostly fine as dumb displays (for some connected device, delivering the pictures and using HDMI ARC to switch on both at once) but here and there, users are put to the home menu of the LG TV if something fails and need to click through some icons to get to the HDMI input and if you dare to connect them online you get that "Update" notification, when an update is available (even when you disabled auto update).

Re: Microsoft Copilot AI Comes to LG TVs, and Can't Be Deleted

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Post by dangus »

stephen_g wrote: post #3

Makes me more and more glad that I never let my TV on any network and only use it as a display for Apple TV, the Blu-Ray player, and playing media from USB drives...

I will point out, there are sometimes some really legitimate firmware updates that actually enhance or correct shortcomings on the TVs, especially for cinephiles on high-end units and for recently-released models that have firmware that needs work.

You can find people who cover the content of these updates, such as Vincent from HDTVtest.

What I tend to do is leave my WiFi off and then occasionally turn it on and connect for firmware updates, then disable it afterward.

I've also found that on my LG OLED that a lot of the crapware doesn't even have an option to function if you just never accept the terms and conditions or un-accept them. The UI doesn't make it perfectly obvious that you can do this but you absolutely can.

This stuff is very much anti-consumer, but can generally be mitigated by vigilant settings-chasing and a willingness to ignore the TV interface and use a dedicated streaming box with essentially no ads like an Apple TV.

Re: Microsoft Copilot AI Comes to LG TVs, and Can't Be Deleted

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Post by Johanx64 »

killerstorm wrote: post #53

FFS. When I bought LG OLED TV, it was quite snappy. A year later, it asked to update webOS. OK. Now we are crawling through molasses... All TV software seems appears to be an absolute fucking scam.

Why are people still connecting their TVs to the internet?

I thought this is already common wisdom for people in tech for decades to NEVER connect your TV to the internet, not even once.

Re: Microsoft Copilot AI Comes to LG TVs, and Can't Be Deleted

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Post by goku12 »

drnick1 wrote: post #63
nerdponx wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It doesn't matter if consumers don't like it if everyone does it. The only choice remaining then is to put up with it or not have a TV at all.

You can buy a "smart TV" and keep it offline. Use it as a monitor for a PC running Linux, from which you stream from your browser or dedicated apps like VacuumTube (Youtube Leanback).

> You can buy a "smart TV" and keep it offline.

For how long? Eventually, it will end up like Windows login. It won't work without an online account. In the meanwhile, they will soft corece you into adopting it by using passive aggression. They will slow down the bootup to a crawl, unless you connect it online. Those times are already really bad - CRT monitors used to heat up faster.

The ultimate point is, if you have to make compromises to retain your rights, then you might as well have no rights at all. You're already well on your way there.

Re: Microsoft Copilot AI Comes to LG TVs, and Can't Be Deleted

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Post by goku12 »

hyperadvanced wrote: post #40
nerdponx wrote: post #17

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It doesn't matter if consumers don't like it if everyone does it. The only choice remaining then is to put up with it or not have a TV at all.

You can get a 10 or 20 or 30 year old TV. They still work.

I see that we have already entered the post-apocalyptic scavenging stage?
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