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If AI replaces workers, should it also pay taxes?

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Re: If AI replaces workers, should it also pay taxes?

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1. No, we are not losing. 2. If it was true that we were losing, then tax revenue would be the least of our worries.

I hope you still feel you arent losing when your job is gone and thus your income and woops there goes your home because you cant afford your rent/mortgage anymore.

Rent/mortgage would be dirt cheap if you didn't have to live near a job.

Re: If AI replaces workers, should it also pay taxes?

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There is often no replacement work for those made redundant by increasing automation. US solution to let them just fall through non-existent social net without care in the world and starve on sidewalks is rather unacceptable here, also its a dumb proposition long term on par with medieval societies.

What's your solution on that? (this itself is stupid populist move but underlying issue is a major one)

Re: If AI replaces workers, should it also pay taxes?

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I'm not so sure this argument is valid. The invention of the wheel barrow created new jobs in wheel barrow manufacturing and distribution. On the other hand, the promise/threat of AI seems to be the complete displacement of humans in many industries without creating alternative employment for the vast majority.

Wheelbarrows are pretty simple devices, I’m sure many people just made them on their own. But even accepting this point, there’s no particular reason why we should expect that every invention until now generated new and different types of work, just not this one. The people talking about complete displacement are selling you a story because it gets them clicks and sells books.

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Re: If AI replaces workers, should it also pay taxes?

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On the plus pole of the circuit the government prints the tokens and spends it on the things it wants done. On the minus pole it pulls the tokens via taxes. This is a means to compel the population to do work (pay taxes with tokens else jail, only way to get tokens is to do work). The idea to tax work is an economical oxymoron.

Re: If AI replaces workers, should it also pay taxes?

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By this logic owners of wheel barrows should be taxed for all the manual labour jobs the wheel barrow destroyed.

To some degree we already do. Corporations pay taxes. We, as a society, allow corporations to pull resources from the commons because the other side of it is that their existence provides a value through jobs and tax revenue and such. If the equation shifts such that the benefits dry up, but the downsides only increase, why should we allow that? The solution could be as simple as higher business taxes or as wild as u…

This is utterly backwards and your false statement leads to a completely wrong set of inferences.

We don't let corporations do anything because they provide value through jobs and taxes. What company do you know that exists (beyond transiently) solely by paying taxes and employing people?

Companies are an extension of the individual, they exist to make money for the individuals that own them so that those individuals can acquire goods and services that they themselves need or desire.

How do companies make this money? Holding people at gun point and taking it is generally illegal; instead they resort to providing goods or services to some set of people who are willing to pay for them.

To provide these goods or services they need to employ people. The fewer people companies in aggregate can employ, the better for people in aggregate since those people can acquire "things" (food, jewellery, phones,...) for less of their own labour (or equivalent dollars).

If the "benefits dry up" as you say, people will stop sending their hard earned money to this company and the company will eventually cease to exist. Your fallacy was assuming the benefits were the jobs and taxes, not the goods and services provided.

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