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Re: LG TV's new software update installed MS Copilot, which cannot be deleted

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Post by amlib »

LeonM wrote: post #25
some-guy wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am actually surprised at how well our second TV (Samsung) still looks [0] after 17 years. We inherited from my sister who bought it for some ridiculous amount of cash for the time. It’s heavy and runs hot, but doesn’t look any worse than cheap TVs of the same size today. [0] https://www.cnet.com/tech/tech-industry/samsung-touches-lcds...

I bought the top of the line TV from Samsung in 2011. The 'smart' functionality services went offline after a year or two, which means all 'smart' functions no longer work and I am now happily using it as a dumb TV. Eventually every smart TV becomes dumb when they inevitably shut down the backend services.

> Eventually every smart TV becomes dumb when they inevitably shut down the backend services.

Except that on newer tvs all the nagging will still be there, all the ads will be "frozen" in time (mine has ads for stuff from 2023, the last time I connected it for some firmware update that _GASPS_ actually fixed some things) and some features may depend on internet connectivity. The manufacturer may care to release a final update and solve these issues, but you know they are much more likely to fraudulently just disable features that worked offline as a last middle finger.

Repeat with me, SaaS is fraud. Proprietary digital platforms are fraud.

Re: LG TV's new software update installed MS Copilot, which cannot be deleted

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Post by tylerflick »

abbycurtis33 wrote: post #5

Until somebody releases a dumb TV, you just can't connect your tv to the Internet.

Yeah, as someone with two of these I would never let them connect to the internet. It’s chock full of ads.

I do connect them to a jailed LAN so I can control them over the network.

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Post by al_borland »

bdhcuidbebe wrote: post #37
A4ET8a8uTh0_v2 wrote: post #16

It is interesting. Arstechnica just had an article about how to get a dumb tv, which I saw on google news. I want to believe there is a tide turning among non-hn peoples ( I tried various phrasings and neither worked in terms of exclusion ).

I just read that, too. Its interesting and somewhat depressing that the best option for the last 10+ years according to ars and this linked reddit thead, and comments in this thread all suggesting Apple TV. I hope to see a viable foss option soon.

There are options like LibreELEC (Jeff Geerling did a video on setup a year ago[0]). However, these options are rarely plug and play. It also doesn’t let people simply download and use apps from the popular streaming services. They tend to rely on pirated content or someone who is willing to rip all their own physical media for more convenient access. FOSS has always had an issue with that last 10% of the user experience, and the services to make things pleasant to use, which I think really hurts mainstream adoption.

[0] https://youtu.be/3hFas54xFtg

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Post by richid »

jitl wrote: post #39
1970-01-01 wrote: post #18

Is there a DNS filtering list anywhere that just blocks these firmware updates? That would be the easiest way to maintain dumbification without getting into hacking the software while still allowing streaming services.

It’s well worth the $100 or whatever to do all the streaming through an AppleTV. It’s the only streaming device I’ve used that doesn’t seem to constantly try to upsell random garbage.

This is the answer. AppleTV is worth its weight in gold. Well supported and quality apps, good connectivity options, enough horsepower for hardware decoding, and Apple has a good reputation for privacy (hello no ACR).

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Post by tapoxi »

jwr wrote: post #61
Neywiny wrote: post #2

As a proud member of the LGTV community (yes I'm making 2 of those kinds of jokes back to back, fight me), and an occasional reddit user, I'm both horrified by the notion of getting this update and thrilled people are still using old.reddit.com. The new layout, which isn't even new anymore, still falls very short for it I'm looking something up and it's buried in a comment thread where ctrl-f can't find it.

The management of reddit doesn't seem to use reddit at all and they seem to be unaware of the fact that a) the "new" layout just isn't that great, and b) their mobile app is terrible. They killed third-party apps, which were way better than their garbage app and they don't seem to realize how much it annoys their users.

They don't care about their users, they trapped people in and people aren't migrating to alternatives in droves.

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Post by ninkendo »

shermantanktop wrote: post #57
jitl wrote: post #29

We need a Framework-style company making TVs. Get the OLED panels from whoever makes them wholesale, spend on a beautiful enclosure / design, add just enough software to calibrate the image and switch between HDMI inputs with HDMI-CEC. Sell a premium soundbar as an add-on instead of including speakers in the base device. I think a brand like Sonos could make a killing in this market selling a premium dumb tv to high…

It would not be cheap. All that ad crap represents revenue, and all those features represent sales volume for feature-conscious customers. Without volume you don’t have supplier leverage on pricing, or the ability to get onto big box store shelves, reducing volume further.

I for one would be willing to pay a premium for what GP described. I’d honestly pay twice as much for a TV with working HDMI CEC, some simple picture adjustment controls, and a really really good panel. Nothing else, please.

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Post by shawabawa3 »

tapoxi wrote: post #86
jwr wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The management of reddit doesn't seem to use reddit at all and they seem to be unaware of the fact that a) the "new" layout just isn't that great, and b) their mobile app is terrible. They killed third-party apps, which were way better than their garbage app and they don't seem to realize how much it annoys their users.

They don't care about their users, they trapped people in and people aren't migrating to alternatives in droves.

More importantly they serve ads and capture all of the revenue from them
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