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Craft software that makes people feel something

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Re: Craft software that makes people feel something

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Post by matheusmoreira »

Yokohiii wrote: post #66
matheusmoreira wrote: post #51

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> GitHub does not let you disable many of the collaboration I wish they'd allow making issues and pull requests sponsor only. Could enable a business model.

It's weird that this thread argues to keep the fun in hobby projects and you ask for the exact opposite.

It's precisely because of the hobby nature of my projects that I want this feature. Support and collaboration are a lot of work. I have trouble conjuring up enough motivation to work on my projects as it is.

Re: Craft software that makes people feel something

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Post by nospice »

eikenberry wrote: post #78
nospice wrote: post #67

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> This is how many artists have worked. They make something for themself, and one day they show it to someone else That model depended on personal wealth or (more often) patronage. Because the supply of wealthy patrons was limited, it meant that you had fewer artists pursuing their visions. Everyone else needed to find menial jobs. Now, we democratized access to patronage, but it means that to support yourself, you n…

> That model depended on personal wealth or (more often) patronage. "They make something for themself, .." For the vast majority of people this means doing it on the side, in addition to their day-job. I've known a lot of artists in my time and we all have day jobs. You do art for yourself because you love to create, not expecting to make any significant money on it.

Right, which works great if your daytime job is being a professor at Oxford, but maybe less so if your only opportunity is farm labor or other physically exhausting job.

Today, more people have the opportunity to dabble in art than ever before.

Re: Craft software that makes people feel something

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Post by Yokohiii »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #81
Yokohiii wrote: post #66

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It's weird that this thread argues to keep the fun in hobby projects and you ask for the exact opposite.

It's precisely because of the hobby nature of my projects that I want this feature. Support and collaboration are a lot of work. I have trouble conjuring up enough motivation to work on my projects as it is.

Sponsors can have quite a bit more entitlement then the average github dude. But well, maybe if you lock it down for sponsors the stress level is overall lower.

Re: Craft software that makes people feel something

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Post by Xenoamorphous »

ares623 wrote: post #26
davidivadavid wrote: post #20

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So the proof for your claim is two counterexamples?

I believe OP’s intent was that for software, normal users don’t see or understand what’s under the hood so how the software is built doesn’t matter.

Exactly. I thought my last paragraph made it clear that software is not like the other couple of things.

Re: Craft software that makes people feel something

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Post by bigstrat2003 »

Xenoamorphous wrote: post #17

Kinda tangential but in the advent of AI I feel like there won’t be a niche for “handcrafted software”. When quartz watches came up the makers of mechanical watches struggled. Quartz watches are cheaper, more accurate in many cases and servicing is usually restricted to replacing a battery. However some people appreciate a good mechanical watch (and the status symbol aspect of course) and nowadays the mechanical watc…

> Nobody (well, barring a few HN readers) will ever care if the software was written by people or a bot, as long as it works.

That is probably true. But all evidence to date is that if the software is written by a bot, it won't work. That is why people will care.

Re: Craft software that makes people feel something

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Post by zzo38computer »

mirashii wrote: post #42
mghackerlady wrote: post #36

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I'm very much for people open-sourcing their projects in terms of releasing the source code. Just don't accept patches or whatever, keep the repos closed

Unfortunately, and I think to great overall harm, GitHub does not let you disable many of the collaboration features. I was just having a discussion today with someone who would be fine open sourcing their code, but is uninterested in any contributions, questions, or community interaction. Since GitHub won’t allow that, their options are to host it somewhere themselves where nobody will see it, or just don’t publish…

I hardly get any contributions, questions, etc even though I have published them on GitHub (although some people do watch and/or star them, but I don't really care much how many stars it has).

I think you can disable issues but not pull requests, as far as I know.

It might be helpful to allow to disable pull requests too, and possibly to hide how many stars/watchers there are and hide the list of forks (people could still star, watch, and/or fork the repository, but they would not be listed on that repository if the display of those features are disabled).

Whether or not GitHub accepts these ideas, it can be an idea that other services (e.g. Codeberg) can consider adding such options if they want to do (as well as other things).

Re: Craft software that makes people feel something

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Post by zzo38computer »

Lammy wrote: post #77
mirashii wrote: post #42

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Unfortunately, and I think to great overall harm, GitHub does not let you disable many of the collaboration features. I was just having a discussion today with someone who would be fine open sourcing their code, but is uninterested in any contributions, questions, or community interaction. Since GitHub won’t allow that, their options are to host it somewhere themselves where nobody will see it, or just don’t publish…

I use an Action to auto-close any Issue or PR in my hobby repo for same reason: https://github.com/marketplace/actions/repo-lockdown

I use GitHub Actions to affect issues and pull requests also, but to assign them to myself (so that they are visible in searches), not to close them. However, for some reason it does not seem to work properly for pull requests, even though it works for issues.

Re: Craft software that makes people feel something

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Post by Yokohiii »

9rx wrote: post #80
Yokohiii wrote: post #79

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My point (and that of the previous poster) is that "wow" isn't required as an initial property to do anything. Pretty sure the dude who made the first wheel just did something that was useful for him in that situation. He didn't think how he could do something to impress his peers. He maybe wasn't even aware he made the first wheel or something innovative. Also if I'd dive into how F1 wheels are made, I'd expect I le…

The question asked — paraphrasing to include the context you have added — is how you could create something like a wheel, or a novel adaptation on the wheel like an F1 wheel, without sparking 'wow'? It just doesn't seem impossible. You may not come with the intent to create 'wow', but it is going to happen anyway.

I am confused on your use of "duplicating".

I think straight duplication is quite unlikely. You even say it's inevitable. Which is also confusing. Most code written is probably quite unremarkable, yet useful. Usefulness is a dominating factor, wow has a lot of depends.

Re: Craft software that makes people feel something

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Post by matheusmoreira »

Yokohiii wrote: post #83
matheusmoreira wrote: post #81

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It's precisely because of the hobby nature of my projects that I want this feature. Support and collaboration are a lot of work. I have trouble conjuring up enough motivation to work on my projects as it is.

Sponsors can have quite a bit more entitlement then the average github dude. But well, maybe if you lock it down for sponsors the stress level is overall lower.

> Sponsors can have quite a bit more entitlement then the average github dude.

Is this some sort of unwritten agreement? When I was setting up my sponsor page, I explored the sponsor pages of other users for ideas. I don't think there were many sponsorship tiers with special features. Some people offered advertising space on the README, others offered access to an exclusive Discord channel, most just thanked the sponsor.

I'm still new at this so I wouldn't know. I only ever had one sponsor. Happened organically after my work was independently posted here on HN once.

Re: Craft software that makes people feel something

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Post by 9rx »

Yokohiii wrote: post #88
9rx wrote: post #80

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The question asked — paraphrasing to include the context you have added — is how you could create something like a wheel, or a novel adaptation on the wheel like an F1 wheel, without sparking 'wow'? It just doesn't seem impossible. You may not come with the intent to create 'wow', but it is going to happen anyway.

I am confused on your use of "duplicating". I think straight duplication is quite unlikely. You even say it's inevitable. Which is also confusing. Most code written is probably quite unremarkable, yet useful. Usefulness is a dominating factor, wow has a lot of depends.

> I think straight duplication is quite unlikely.

Is it? There are many different people selling wheels that are all pretty much indistinguishable from one another. The first one no doubt brought the 'wow'. But when the second person showed up with the same thing, what 'wow' would there be?

Our entire system of trade assumes that duplication occurs as an intrinsic piece, with the only defining difference in that duplication is the effort to make the same thing for cheaper. Otherwise known as competition. Are you suggesting that doesn't happen?

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