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Re: US could ask foreign tourists for five-year social media history before entry

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Post by dogemaster2028 »

embedding-shape wrote: post #72
dogemaster2028 wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are allowed to say it. Unlike UK, you won’t be arrested. But you won’t be allowed in. Besides, why would you want to come if you don’t like it here?

> Besides, why would you want to come if you don’t like it here? Family, work, others in the group who enjoy it, the level of enjoyment might still be above the level of frustration, wanting to help, emergencies, etc. I could think of many reasons one would want to go to a country even though you disagree with ~50% the population + current leaders. I've been in North Korea as an example, but I'd never claim to suppor…

If I was speaking badly about you in social media, I would understand it if you don’t want me at your house.

Re: US could ask foreign tourists for five-year social media history before entry

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Post by andsoitis »

mothballed wrote: post #69
andsoitis wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Friendly reminder not to believe everything you read online.

Yeah this is why I don't talk about it often. Because no one but my family believe it, and only after I showed them the warrant and medical records. Fact is hardly anyone believes these things until it happens to them, because they don't want to believe we live in such a dystopia.

You wrote:

> A few things that's happened to me as a citizen after invoking right to remain silent to CBP

What happened that caused you to “invoke your right to remain silent”? When you enter a country, including the US, you are asked some pretty standard questions that would be weird to refuse to answer.

What question did you not want to answer?

Re: US could ask foreign tourists for five-year social media history before entry

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Post by s_dev »

the_pwner224 wrote: post #54
s_dev wrote: post #19

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It's explicitly out of scope to discuss on HN. Paragraph 2: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Though yeah, it is a bit eerie how out in the real world it's just business as usual.

>unless they're evidence of some interesting new phenomenon

I would classify this slide as 'new'.

Re: US could ask foreign tourists for five-year social media history before entry

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Post by embedding-shape »

dogemaster2028 wrote: post #81
embedding-shape wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Besides, why would you want to come if you don’t like it here? Family, work, others in the group who enjoy it, the level of enjoyment might still be above the level of frustration, wanting to help, emergencies, etc. I could think of many reasons one would want to go to a country even though you disagree with ~50% the population + current leaders. I've been in North Korea as an example, but I'd never claim to suppor…

If I was speaking badly about you in social media, I would understand it if you don’t want me at your house.

Sure, be one-sided if that's how you want to live you life. The rest of us will continue with nuance, and talk to people we disagree about, and favor freedom of expression above conformity. But again, you do you, I'm not asking you to change your opinion, just understand that many value other values.

Re: US could ask foreign tourists for five-year social media history before entry

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Post by the_pwner224 »

parrellel wrote: post #56
s_dev wrote: post #19

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I wonder if this is a media bubble thing, because basically all I see online is the opposite. The difference between the screaming outrage there and the complete absence of news reporting it tends to get pretty freaky. I mean, we've got 20 point swings in special elections and mass protests ranging from large to huge all over the place and you'd barely know if you were looking at the evening news.

Yeah, the Reddit front page (not logged in) is always 50% full of politics and raging about how much this admin sucks. Yet in real life for 99% of people it's business as usual, no observable change, you'd have no idea anything was going on.

I wonder if the raging about it online has a cooling effect that makes people less likely to take irl action. Even if you do enter the left media bubble, you can't help but think that they've accomplished absolutely nothing. The "protests" (more like "100 people had a picnic in front of the capital") were pretty pathetic.

Re: US could ask foreign tourists for five-year social media history before entry

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Post by lukevi »

fluidcruft wrote: post #44
mothballed wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure but they'll make your day extremely unpleasant before deporting you or if a USC letting you in. A few things that's happened to me as a citizen after invoking right to remain silent to CBP 1) Told I could not enter the country. Held up for 3-24 hours in holding areas. Officials come in and claim they will revoke my passport under "national security"-esque grounds. Lots of bluffing and huffing and puffing. Diesel…

To clarify: CBP is Canadian Border Patrol and you are a Canadian citizen re-entering Canada when this happened?

More likely US Customs & Border Protection

Re: US could ask foreign tourists for five-year social media history before entry

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Post by mothballed »

andsoitis wrote: post #82
mothballed wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah this is why I don't talk about it often. Because no one but my family believe it, and only after I showed them the warrant and medical records. Fact is hardly anyone believes these things until it happens to them, because they don't want to believe we live in such a dystopia.

You wrote: > A few things that's happened to me as a citizen after invoking right to remain silent to CBP What happened that caused you to “invoke your right to remain silent”? When you enter a country, including the US, you are asked some pretty standard questions that would be weird to refuse to answer. What question did you not want to answer?

I answered the questions on what I had to declare and anything regarding my identity and citizenship, along with presenting my passport. I also will answer the question to which countries I've been to, although I know of no requirement to do so. I will answer the question about whether I have currency and instruments exceeding $10,000. Other than that I will not answer, nor am I aware of any requirement to do so.

This caused me to be fucked with mercilessly for about 10 years. Eventually I was investigated by an HSI officer who seems to have determined I'm just a crazy libertarian or something, now I tend not to get held up terribly long.

Edit: I have tried to answer below questions but it appears I cannot post any more messages until a certain times elapses. Below commenter has repeatedly shifted his attack, it is clear only goal is to shift and attack my message through a series of moving questions that keep moving the goalposts. 'This' did not happen 10 years ago, some of the events happened 10 years ago, some of them significantly more recent, and I have pretty much fully defined what sort of questions were answered. But of course it's pointless to even reply such commenters as I know from experience they are only going to dig endlessly until a magic 'gotcha' is found as to why I deserve it.

Re: US could ask foreign tourists for five-year social media history before entry

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Post by notrealyme123 »

dogemaster2028 wrote: post #59
akie wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My social media is full of rants about the ongoing trend of bringing fascism to the US and the authoritarian and repressive tendencies of the current president. Am I not allowed to say that?

You are allowed to say it. Unlike UK, you won’t be arrested. But you won’t be allowed in. Besides, why would you want to come if you don’t like it here?

"Freedom of speech" i can really feel how free it is over there.

Freedom to not let people in with other opinions, and freedom to force your opinion onto other countries. Really great.

Re: US could ask foreign tourists for five-year social media history before entry

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Post by carlosjobim »

JKCalhoun wrote: post #4

"Officers were instructed to screen for those "who advocate for, aid, or support designated foreign terrorists and other threats to national security; or who perpetrate unlawful anti-Semitic harassment or violence"." Okay, that's your job then. It's not mine or anyone else's job to just hand everything over.

A tourist (to any country) has no right to enter. If you don't cooperate they can simply deny your entry.
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