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Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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Post by sepisoad »

I totally agree, Microsoft is ruining everything with AI, like all Microsoft product have been on decline for years even before the LLM era, and now they are on an even steeper decline.

it makes me sad to see that github is now going through the same shit, and people are using other random half-ass alternatives, it’s not easy to keep track of your favourite open-source projects across many source forgeries. we need someone to buy github from Microsoft and remove all the crap they have added to it.

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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Post by gaigalas »

IshKebab wrote: post #7

Lack of investment more like. There are a ton of simple and obvious bugs that have persisted well before the AI crazy, e.g. this annoying bug from 2021: https://github.com/orgs/community/discussions/6874 This one is almost a one-line change (technically they need an extra flag in the YAML but that's hardly difficult): https://github.com/orgs/community/discussions/12882#discussi... That said, I still think Github is f…

> So frustrating that Github doesn't support such an obvious workflow.

It kind of does.

I used this a lot in several jobs to work in dependent tickets in advance. Just make another branch on top of the previous (a PR to the other PR branch).

People could review the child PR before the parent was merged. And it requires some less than trivial git knowledge to manage effectively, but nothing extraordinary. Any solution for stacked PRs based on git would also require it (or a custom tool).

I think I'm on their side on this one. From git perspective, it works just as I expect. Something else probably belongs to JIRA or project management instead.

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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Post by sevenseacat »

danilafe wrote: post #42
tuupola wrote: post #10

They also made the disastrous update to the dashboard feed which made the frontpage pretty much useless. https://github.com/orgs/community/discussions/65343

Their most most recent update replaces all this with a list of recently updated PRs and issues. I've been learning on it heavily since it came out. One of the few recent changes that really feels like a clear improvement.

oh wow. I just had to press the "Try the new experience!" button about ten times for it to finally load the new experience, but I like it

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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Post by bpavuk »

verdverm wrote: post #44
p2detar wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There have been complaints about it on Reddit as well. I registered an account recently and to me the annoying thing is the constant "making sure you are not a bot" check. For now I see no reason to migrate, but I do admit Forgejo looks very interesting to self-host.

https://tangled.org/ is building on ATProto 1. use git or jj 2. pull-request like data lives on the network 3. They have a UI, but anyone can also build one and the ecosystem is shared I've been considering Gerrit for git-codereview, and tangled will be interesting when private data / repos are a thing. Not trying to have multiple git hosts while I wait

I, too, am extremely interested in development on Tangled, but I miss two features from GitHub - universal search and Releases. the web frontend of Tangled is so fast that I am still getting used to the speed, and jj-first features like stacked PRs are just awesome. kinda reminds me of how Linux patch submitting works.

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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Post by theteapot »

Ygg2 wrote: post #48
exceptione wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Crazy. Who would have an incentive to spend resources on DDoS'ing Codeberg? The only party I can think of would be Github. I know that the normalization of ruthlessness and winner-takes-all mentality made crime mandatory for large parts of the economy, but still cannot wrap my mind around it.

> Who would have an incentive to spend resources That's not how threat analysis works. That's a conspiracy theory. You need to consider the difficulty of achieving it. Otherwise I could start speculating which large NAS provider is trying to DDoS me, when in fact it's a script kiddie. As for who would have the most incentives? Unscrupulous AI scrapers. Every unprotected site experiences a flood of AI scrapers/bots.

Actually I think that's roughly how threat analysis works though.

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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Post by Sammi »

rcxdude wrote: post #75
exceptione wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Crazy. Who would have an incentive to spend resources on DDoS'ing Codeberg? The only party I can think of would be Github. I know that the normalization of ruthlessness and winner-takes-all mentality made crime mandatory for large parts of the economy, but still cannot wrap my mind around it.

DDoS are crazy cheap now, it could be a random person for the lulz, or just as a test or demo (though I suspect Codeberg aren't a bit enough target to be impressive there).

Is it because the s in iot stands for security? I'm asking genuinely. Where are these requests coming from?

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

#87

Post by liampulles »

The main function of GitHub is really just advertising or at least broadcasting your work. I would use GitHub issues, stars, etc as an (imperfect gauge) of the quality of a library. This is not because of GitHub's features, just that it's the biggest and most well known. And yes I know buying stars is a thing, which is why it's part of the evaluation and not the whole ballgame.

Now that zig is fairly well known and trusted, it makes sense that this is less of a concern for them when migrating away.

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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Post by sevenseacat »

gaigalas wrote: post #82
IshKebab wrote: post #7

Lack of investment more like. There are a ton of simple and obvious bugs that have persisted well before the AI crazy, e.g. this annoying bug from 2021: https://github.com/orgs/community/discussions/6874 This one is almost a one-line change (technically they need an extra flag in the YAML but that's hardly difficult): https://github.com/orgs/community/discussions/12882#discussi... That said, I still think Github is f…

> So frustrating that Github doesn't support such an obvious workflow. It kind of does. I used this a lot in several jobs to work in dependent tickets in advance. Just make another branch on top of the previous (a PR to the other PR branch). People could review the child PR before the parent was merged. And it requires some less than trivial git knowledge to manage effectively, but nothing extraordinary. Any solution…

That feels like the opposite of what I think stacked PRs are? Like someone will open PR #1 for one feature, and then PR #2 into the PR #1 branch, but it doesn't make sense without knowing the context of PR #1 so that gets reviewed first - and then when that PR gets merged, the second one gets automatically closed by GitHub?

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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Post by Sammi »

themgt wrote: post #19

I have sympathy for some of the GitHub complaints. otoh just went to try to signup for Codeberg and it's down ... 95% uptime over the last 2 weeks? https://status.codeberg.org/status/codeberg

Because they are Codeberg I'm betting they have a philosophical aversion to using a cloud based ddos protection service like Cloudflare. Sadly the problem is that noone has come up with any other type of solution that actually works.
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