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OpenAI declares 'code red' as Google catches up in AI race

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Re: OpenAI declares 'code red' as Google catches up in AI race

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Post by epiccoleman »

bryanlarsen wrote: post #50
alecco wrote: post #37

OpenAI was founded to hedge against Google dominating AI and with it the future. It makes me sad how that was lost for pipe dreams (AGI) and terrible leadership. I fear a Google dystopia. I hope DeepSeek or somebody else will counter-balance their power.

That goal has wildly succeeded -- there are now several well financed companies competing against Google. The goal was supposed to be an ethical competitor as implied by the word "Open" in their name. When Meta and the Chinese are the most ethical of the competitors, you know we're in a bad spot...

Without having followed the issue of "AI Ethics" that closely, Anthropic seems to me to be relatively non-evil, too.

Re: OpenAI declares 'code red' as Google catches up in AI race

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Post by mensetmanusman »

Conspiracy time.

>be Google

>watch regulators circle like vultures

>realize antitrust heat is rising faster than stock buybacks can hide

>notice a small lab called OpenAI making exotic tech and attracting political fascination

>calculate that nothing freezes regulators like an unpredictable new frontier

>decide to treat OpenAI as an accidental firebreak

>let them sprint ahead unchecked watch lawmakers panic about hypothetical robot uprisings instead of market concentration

>antitrust hearings shift from “break up the giants” to “what is AGI and should we fear it”

>Google emerges looking ancient, harmless, almost quaint

>pressure dissipates

>execute phase two: acceleration roll out model updates in compressed cycles

>flood the web with AI-powered services

>redefine “the internet” as “whatever Google’s infrastructure indexes”

>regulators exhausted from chasing OpenAI’s shadow

>Google walks back onto the throne, not by hiding power, but by reframing it as inevitability conspiracy theorists argue whether this was 5D chess or simple opportunism

>Google search trends spike for “how did this happen”

>the answer sits in plain sight:

>attention is all you need

Re: OpenAI declares 'code red' as Google catches up in AI race

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Post by TechRemarker »

Heard all the news how Gemini 3 is passing everyone on benchmarks, so quickly tested and still find it a far cry from ChatGPT in real world use when testing questions on both platforms. But importantly the ChatGPT app experience at least for iPhone/Mac users is drastically superior vs Google which feels very Google still. So Gemini would have to be drastically better answer wise than ChatGPT to lure users from a better UI/UX experience to Gemini. But glad to see competition since certainly don't want only one winner in this race.

Re: OpenAI declares 'code red' as Google catches up in AI race

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Post by ronnier »

rappatic wrote: post #5

> the company will be delaying initiatives like ads, shopping and health agents, and a personal assistant, Pulse, to focus on improving ChatGPT There's maybe like a few hundred people in the industry who can truly do original work on fundamentally improving a bleeding-edge LLM like ChatGPT, and a whole bunch of people who can do work on ads and shopping. One doesn't seem to get in the way of the other.

>There's maybe like a few hundred people in the industry

My guess is that it's smaller than that. Only a few people in the world are capable of pushing into the unknown and breaking new ground and discoveries

Re: OpenAI declares 'code red' as Google catches up in AI race

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Post by gbear605 »

Fricken wrote: post #53
theplatman wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

open ai is at risk of complete collapse if it cannot fulfill its financial obligations. if people willing to give them money don't have faith in their ability to win the AI race anymore, then they're going out of business.

Exactly. They aren't going to win the AI race chasing rabbits at the expense of long-term goals. We're 3 years into a 10 year build-out. Open AI and it's financiers are too impatient, clearly, and they're fucking themselves. Open AI doesn't need to double it's revenue to meet expectations. They need to 50x their revenue to meet expectations. That's not the kind of problem you solve by working through the weekend.

The financiers are running out of money to lend. At this point, staying negative profit isn’t an option, they need to be able to fund themselves or they’ll go bankrupt.

Re: OpenAI declares 'code red' as Google catches up in AI race

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Post by newyankee »

mensetmanusman wrote: post #83

Conspiracy time. >be Google >watch regulators circle like vultures >realize antitrust heat is rising faster than stock buybacks can hide >notice a small lab called OpenAI making exotic tech and attracting political fascination >calculate that nothing freezes regulators like an unpredictable new frontier >decide to treat OpenAI as an accidental firebreak >let them sprint ahead unchecked watch lawmakers panic about hyp…

there is enough proof that they had a chatbot internally which was quite competitive but was not pushed through for all these fears, it seems they were always confident that they could catch up and scaling laws were their internal defense.

The question now though is neither might have expected Chinese labs to catch up so fast.

Re: OpenAI declares 'code red' as Google catches up in AI race

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Post by jiggawatts »

TechRemarker wrote: post #84

Heard all the news how Gemini 3 is passing everyone on benchmarks, so quickly tested and still find it a far cry from ChatGPT in real world use when testing questions on both platforms. But importantly the ChatGPT app experience at least for iPhone/Mac users is drastically superior vs Google which feels very Google still. So Gemini would have to be drastically better answer wise than ChatGPT to lure users from a bett…

Curiously, I had the opposite experience, except for Deep Research mode where after the latest update the OpenAI offering has become genuinely amazing. This is doubly ironic because Gemini has direct API access to Google search!

Re: OpenAI declares 'code red' as Google catches up in AI race

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Post by breppp »

mensetmanusman wrote: post #83

Conspiracy time. >be Google >watch regulators circle like vultures >realize antitrust heat is rising faster than stock buybacks can hide >notice a small lab called OpenAI making exotic tech and attracting political fascination >calculate that nothing freezes regulators like an unpredictable new frontier >decide to treat OpenAI as an accidental firebreak >let them sprint ahead unchecked watch lawmakers panic about hyp…

That would be believable if you forget the sheer incompetence and bureaucracy Google was/is filled with
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