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In India, engineering students outsource their academic projects

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Re: In India, engineering students outsource their academic projects

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You seem to be talking about outsourcing companies like TCS, Infosys etc. In the technical field, cheating or faking it can only take you so far. Comparison should not really be with companies like TCS, Infosys, but with good companies who hire real talent and pay for that talent. This, as far as I know is a direct result of proliferation of the number of engineering colleges in India. A good warning for companies to…

> A good warning for companies to start recruiting only from top engineering colleges. I belong to a college which was opened just because my chairman had a lot of money, heavens know if it was back or white. It was started the year I had to secure admission to some random foo college as I had completed class 12. When you dont expect a 19 year old to make a minor project choice. How can you expect a 16 year old to ma…

>I strongly vote out against companies discriminating against 'small' and 'big' named colleges. Least there is another interested hard working mostly self-taught engineer as me in any of them.

Maybe they can't go to each and every college in the country? Or maybe it's just inertia on their part.

Re: In India, engineering students outsource their academic projects

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I don't think the issue is an Indian issue. More likely its just because a very small number of people should actually be taking engineering, but because of how lucrative it is, so many people take it who shouldn't be there.

I went to Stanford in the early 2000s for undergrad and majored in EE.

EE classes would normally have up to 50-60 students in lectures. Lectures would be taken by professors, many of whom were leading experts in their field, and some would be visibly bored or annoyed at having to teach ridiculously simple undergrad classes. You can imagine Nobel prize winners trying to teach basic physics.

Students did not learn much from these professors, some of whom would just recite from the textbook (which they had written). So students stopped coming to class. And Stanford even then recorded and streamed most engineering lectures, so by middle of the term only 5-6 students would show up to class. Then you go for the final exam and there are like 100 students who show up, everyone surprised the class was so big!

They had problem sets every week, and tutorial sessions where you could get one on one attention with graduate students. These were the most personalized attention you could get during the course.

You had a choice at Stanford. You could either choose to learn, or you could choose to have good grades. Only the top 5% of the class, the real geniuses could learn and get good grades at the same time.

I was not that smart. So I spent the first two years taking classes I was interested in. Mostly skipped the lectures, and took as many classes as possible. I was a solid B student. Then I got tired, and decided EE was not for me. Thought about switching majors but it was too late. So decided to get through on the bare minimum of effort.

As soon as I flipped that switch, I met the other group of people, the ones focused on good grades and enjoying life.

In order to get good grades, you have to do well in problem sets, midterm, final exam and project for each class.

Problem sets - It's ok to copy answers. We used to have a basket in the EE office where people turned in answers. Just go one day early and grab someone else's paper. Copy, return. If the guy turned it in a day or two early, he must have known what he was doing.

Project - Even easier. Stanford had so many socially inept engineers. Guys who don't even speak in class and usually very quiet or weird. These guys need friends too. Be their friend. Be in their project group. You don't even have to do anything. The smart guy will do all the work, won't even complain or tell the prof. Why? Because most of the really smart guys are really arrogant that their smart, and they believe they don't need anyone else. They're annoyed they have to have project partners. As long as they have to have a partner, then one who is friendly but doesn't interfere with their ideas or vision for the project is the best.

Mid-term and finals - The last week before the mid term or final, show up for the tutorials. Most of the grad students teaching them will focus on the problems most likely to come out in the exam.

Voila. I was an A student the last two years. And graduated without knowing anything. I told my faculty advisor I just wanted to get my degree and get out!

And the funny thing is, I have friends who have made a career out of "getting grades" this way. Think about all those venture capitalists in Silicon Valley. Those were the kids who were friends of smart engineers. Think of Sheryl Sandberg, Eric Schmidt etc. The managers without significant technical knowledge.

Re: In India, engineering students outsource their academic projects

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Not every guy who did their project themselves ended up as an entrepreneur, but almost all entrepreneurs did their college projects themselves.

I think u r right. not many are business owners. I did my academic projects myself and now an entrepreneur.

Re: In India, engineering students outsource their academic projects

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> A good warning for companies to start recruiting only from top engineering colleges. I belong to a college which was opened just because my chairman had a lot of money, heavens know if it was back or white. It was started the year I had to secure admission to some random foo college as I had completed class 12. When you dont expect a 19 year old to make a minor project choice. How can you expect a 16 year old to ma…

True. A lot of good companies recruiting from big name colleges (IITs, NITs etc.) are wasting their time. The people from those colleges more or less end up studying for CAT and leave to study for an MBA degree within an year. Increasingly the startup founders and rockstar engineers come from the non-IIT-NIT colleges.

No wonder 95% of all startups fail! :D
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