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Re: Gnome is better macOS than macOS

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Post by al_borland »

jetbalsa wrote: post #45
Lapel2742 wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> As someone who has never really clicked with virtual desktop, this doesn’t work for me. This feels like such a glaring omission of a convention that has been around for decades (even in past versions of Gnome). As someone who uses Gnome simply because IMHO the alternatives like KDE are worse, I came to the conclusion that these people do not work on desktop computers. It feels like an interface designed for tablets…

I'm a KDE User, by no means a power user. I would love to know what makes KDE Worse over GNOME, I come from Windows Land so its workflows tended to work best for me. but I can see from a MacOS User how GNOME might fit their habits better.

For me, I tend to run Linux on lower powered systems and KDE was always very slow. Maybe it’s gotten better, I gave up on it and haven’t tried it in probably 10 years, but it just felt much more resource intensive than every other option.

Re: Gnome is better macOS than macOS

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Post by sparky4pro »

nlkl wrote: post #65
ayaros wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's literally the default behavior in macOS, with some exceptions.

I think the above post must refer to how it works in MacOS. In Gnome, the app quits when the last window is closed (by default at least). I guess this is a matter of taste, but personally I strongly dislike the way MacOS works here.

If I remember correctly, in old UNIX desktop environments apps still ran after closing the last app window.

Re: Gnome is better macOS than macOS

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Post by al_borland »

t_mahmood wrote: post #64
al_borland wrote: post #10

I will never get used to Gnomes lack of native support for minimizing windows. I actually had to lookup how they expected users to manage windows, as it was not obvious to me. Apparently you’re supposed to move windows to another virtual desktop to get them out of the way. As someone who has never really clicked with virtual desktop, this doesn’t work for me. This feels like such a glaring omission of a convention th…

You don't move windows that you do not need right now to other workspace. You move to a new workspace with the window you are working on. Which is more logical, and workspace are cheap, and quick to navigate to. There are even extensions, that opens new windows to a new workspace automatically. But of course, I have few complaints about how multi-monitor workspace are handled in Gnome, I prefer how i3 handles workspa…

My workflow is never so organized and segmented that windows all group neatly together in workspaces together. This is why workspaces/virtual desktops never worked for me.

Re: Gnome is better macOS than macOS

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Post by WD-42 »

_fat_santa wrote: post #47
al_borland wrote: post #10

I will never get used to Gnomes lack of native support for minimizing windows. I actually had to lookup how they expected users to manage windows, as it was not obvious to me. Apparently you’re supposed to move windows to another virtual desktop to get them out of the way. As someone who has never really clicked with virtual desktop, this doesn’t work for me. This feels like such a glaring omission of a convention th…

IMHO the Gnome team should bake in Dash to Dock and Desktop Icons NG into the core package. To me they are essential to get a proper functioning desktop in Gnome and it blows my mind that they are just 3rd party extensions when really it should be 1st party support. Ubuntu already does this with their build.

I don’t understand desktop icons. Why spend the time finding the thing, moving your hand to the mouse and clicking when you can just hit super, type the first 2 or 3 characters, done.

Re: Gnome is better macOS than macOS

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Post by SkiFire13 »

al_borland wrote: post #10

I will never get used to Gnomes lack of native support for minimizing windows. I actually had to lookup how they expected users to manage windows, as it was not obvious to me. Apparently you’re supposed to move windows to another virtual desktop to get them out of the way. As someone who has never really clicked with virtual desktop, this doesn’t work for me. This feels like such a glaring omission of a convention th…

I currently have to use macOS for work and despite it supporting minimizing windows (which Gnome does not) I almost never use it. Part of the reason is how minimized windows are unintuitive on macOS but part of the reason is also that if I don't currently need a window I will likely just put the one I need on top of it, or move to the desktop where the one I need it.

Re: Gnome is better macOS than macOS

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Post by jlongman »

amluto wrote: post #31
nik736 wrote: post #7

What I am missing with Gnome is the global menu I have with macOS. It's just my preferred way of working. This is also what I liked about Unity. Gnome seems to follow the same direction as Windows. Additionally miller columns in Finder are just awesome and I don't have them with Nautilus. Those two things are honestly dealbreakers for me.

I would much prefer if MacOS got rid of the global menu. I've contemplated it for literally decades, and my opinion has only gotten stronger. 1. Sometimes a program has no open windows. Understanding when its menu shows up in the menu bar is confusing at best. Explaining to another user "oh, you are in [such and such program already] even though there's nothing there -- click File then Open" is silly. 2. Sometimes a…

I had a longer reply but turfed it, but the global menu is based around muscle memory for eye and mouse locations. My personal experience sounds nothing like yours so I suspect we navigate very differently such that it impacts you far more than me.

I’m a heavy keyboard user so rotating apps and windows in apps means I always know where I am and don’t even notice the costs you’re talking about.

Re: Gnome is better macOS than macOS

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Post by t_mahmood »

llbbdd wrote: post #72
t_mahmood wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don't move windows that you do not need right now to other workspace. You move to a new workspace with the window you are working on. Which is more logical, and workspace are cheap, and quick to navigate to. There are even extensions, that opens new windows to a new workspace automatically. But of course, I have few complaints about how multi-monitor workspace are handled in Gnome, I prefer how i3 handles workspa…

IDK about anyone else's experience but workspaces are not cheap on seemingly any system. Gnome on Linux, MacOS, Windows, all seem to have unacceptable performance degradation the more workspaces you open. I assume that this is because some frame buffer is being kept alive in all cases, but for the love of God, why?

Well, I'll do a small experiment, working on my Surface Pro 3 (Yes, you read that right) which I am using as a Thin client to my desktop.

Just opened 14 workspace on it. Opened up terminals, text editor, disk usage tool on all the workspace.

gnome-shell is sitting on 154mb, and Firefox is 1.7GB. And I am not seeing any unacceptable performance degradation at all.

Put them in same workspace, memory usage seemed to increase slight to 168mb but no unacceptable lag.

I put all the window back on individual workspaces again, now memory usage went down to 163mb

Re: Gnome is better macOS than macOS

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Post by t_mahmood »

al_borland wrote: post #83
t_mahmood wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don't move windows that you do not need right now to other workspace. You move to a new workspace with the window you are working on. Which is more logical, and workspace are cheap, and quick to navigate to. There are even extensions, that opens new windows to a new workspace automatically. But of course, I have few complaints about how multi-monitor workspace are handled in Gnome, I prefer how i3 handles workspa…

My workflow is never so organized and segmented that windows all group neatly together in workspaces together. This is why workspaces/virtual desktops never worked for me.

I can assure you, It's not about organization, not for me at least.

I just can't stand too many windows open in a single workspace, I get anxious, and close window, and then I close an important window and get lost.

With workspace, I don't have to close any window, go to another workspace, and keep working. If I remember something, on some other window/app, I can just move it to the current workspace.

So, now come to the point with too many window, traversing them become a huge pain. So, for that, I use `rofi` with window list option, so, I can just fuzzy search and jump to any window.

Switching by search is absolutely must if you are working in workspace and have too many windows.

I try to keep my projects in separate workspaces, and terminals related to the project in secondary monitors, and IDE on the primary, that's all organization I have

Re: Gnome is better macOS than macOS

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Post by yesb »

MBCook wrote: post #41
ayaros wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's literally the default behavior in macOS, with some exceptions.

In fact that’s how it always worked. Apps that don’t work that way, including Apple’s, are “wrong”.

Both behaviors have been common/"correct" as long as I remember. Single window apps such as System Preferences, Disk Utility, etc. don't meaningfully exist without their window and as such they quit when the window closes. Multi-window apps e.g. web browsers, word processors have the "usual" macOS behavior where they can remain running without a window open.
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