In Germany participation in a gang rape of a minor might get you nothing more than probation (No, not because there was any doubt over the guilt, the guilt was established.). It is completely ridiculous to debate these nuanced laws about rape, when the punishment for participating in a brutal gang rape is a stern talking to.
Germany to classify date rape drugs as weapons to ensure justice for survivors
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Re: Germany to classify date rape drugs as weapons to ensure justice for survivors
#82In California, rape of an unconscious person is not considered a violent felony for the purposes of 'strikes' as well as early release from prison. A rapist may serve as little as 50% of their sentence due to this fact. It was only this year (2025) that rape of an unconscious person who was made unconscious by the assailant (a date rape drug provision like Germany's) became a violent felony. Germany is not alone in t…
So if they're unconscious for some other reason - or the assailant wasn't the one who drugged them - it's not a felony? Sometimes I'm still surprised at how politicians can defend certain positions.
Re: Germany to classify date rape drugs as weapons to ensure justice for survivors
#83Earlier quoted context omitted.
if the jury believed the woman's claims, yes, it's enough for conviction. conviction rates are high not because it's easy to prove guilt, but because district attorneys don't bring case that are likely to be lost. the scenario you describe might not be considered strong enough to win, and resources are limited, so this hypothetical case might not get a hearing.
Not in German law. There are no plea bargains there.
i am sure that every victim allegation does not lead to a prosecution in Germany
Re: Germany to classify date rape drugs as weapons to ensure justice for survivors
#84Earlier quoted context omitted.
The US has a lot of people in prison for "Felony Murder" .. being loosely connected to a crime in which someone dies. This isn't even a crime in many other countries, the UK, Australia, for example. Those countries charge people for their actions, not the actions of others. In the US you have people on long sentences for Felony Murder because as teenagers they and friends broke into a house to rob it, and had one of…
So if my importing a restricted exotic animal (felony under the Lacey act) leads to someone’s death (TSA agent shooting my mom who becomes hysterical as she sees the snake in my suitcase) I could go to prison for life?
From what I read of the uneven application of that which is termed "justice" in the US I imagine it to be possible that a career hungry prosecutor roped in to cover up a potential scandal might see an opportunity to threaten you with a Felony Murder charge and force you into a plea deal should you happened to be, let's say, somewhat less than of pearly unshaded WASP white heritage and lack connections.