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So... Do IR blocking license plate covers work against these things?
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I imagine there's some truth to that. But if I was someone wanting to setup some ICE action, I'd probably be drooling at the thought of accessing that data being a central gathering points for day laborers looking for work. https://www.wsj.com/business/retail/home-depot-immigration-i...
As I understand it, these stores are very likely to be gathering points anyway. You don't need surveillance to tell you that. Someone could walk in posing as a contractor and ask where to find cheap workers too.
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Maybe? It would have to be a pretty big theft to go to all the trouble of finding the vehicle on camera, identifying the owner, figuring out if the thief was the owner, etc. They aren’t going to do all that if it’s a relatively small value theft. And the big value stuff is usually locked down. And if it’s for their own protection why be part of a bigger network shared with law enforcement for whatever they (LEO) want…
There is no maybe about it. These thefts are well-known and spur the defensive measures you're talking about. It goes beyond just locking things up. There are AI systems tracking your movement through the store, and they can even immobilize your shopping cart on the way out if they think you didn't pay. Some tools also have RFID based activation schemes, without which they can't be used. It is the job of the police t…
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Checked out the map, there is one near me on a parking lot with this OSM data > camera:type fixed > direction 340 > man_made surveillance > surveillance:type ALPR Which results in "Operated by: Unknown, Made by: Unknown". What am I supposed to do with that info I wonder. How would I find out if it's actually Flock or if law enforcement would actually have access to this particular camera.
There are probably a lot more cameras than are listed in the database. You could point a camera down the street you live on and record the license plate of every car that passes and video of every pedestrian for a few hundred dollars. I thought about doing this a couple of years ago when there were a few instances of theft going on. To get into or out of my neighborhood, you have to drive by my home and I wondered if…
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There is no maybe about it. These thefts are well-known and spur the defensive measures you're talking about. It goes beyond just locking things up. There are AI systems tracking your movement through the store, and they can even immobilize your shopping cart on the way out if they think you didn't pay. Some tools also have RFID based activation schemes, without which they can't be used. It is the job of the police t…
Why not Target and Walmart then? Or Costco?
Have you not seen the stores like Walgreens that have very basic toiletries behind glass? This stuff is very location dependent and some cities (most?) are still normal. Many stores including Target and Walmart are using AI to track shoplifters. They have had to resort to adding up thefts over time until it totals over $1000 or something, because theft is so pervasive. That's not the kind of theft you need outside cameras for, but these stores see it all.
"the only reason an officer is able to even search for a suspect at a protest is because ALPRs collected data on every single person who attended the protest." No. This is simply not accurate. They collected data on every single car that attended, but there easily could be more people at the protest that rode in the same car, lyft/uber, took a bus, walked, or any other methods of getting there without a car.
Fair, but let's be realistic about the fact that it's also easy for cops to get cellphone tower and location data if they feel like doing correlations. If they tailor their request to the date and area around a protest this would be sufficiently 'narrowly tailored' for many judges to just give them a warrant.
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Fair, but let's be realistic about the fact that it's also easy for cops to get cellphone tower and location data if they feel like doing correlations. If they tailor their request to the date and area around a protest this would be sufficiently 'narrowly tailored' for many judges to just give them a warrant.
The process for getting access to cell phone data is much more difficult than the process of logging into a flock system
This might seem like a cynical take, but you can see stories almost weekly of border patrol officials admitting to lying about claims of criminality; here are two recent examples:
https://abcnews.go.com/US/border-patrol-commander-admitted-l...
https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/5616287-charges-dro...
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Please don't post like this to HN. Regardless of how bad a situation is or you feel it is, we need you (i.e. not you personally, but all of us) to stick to the site guidelines. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
It's always curious how and when you decide to pop into threads and request that people follow the rules of hackernews. You claim that the site and your moderation principles are not (or have limited) ideologically motivated(tions), but your enforcement (or engagement) is uneven and certainly along some political axis. From the rules: > Please don't complain that a submission is inappropriate. If a story is spam or o…
People are constantly (over)interpreting this "mods are against my side" bias into what we do (https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...), but I can tell you for sure without knowing which side you're on (or what the topic even is) that people you disagree with feel just as strongly that we're clearly/obviously/certainly against them and that we tilt the field towards you. It is by far the most consistent phenomenon I've observed in years of doing this job.
Why? Because everyone, including the people on your side and the people on the opposing side, reads meaning into random subsequences (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clustering_illusion), place strong emphasis on the datapoints they most dislike, and often don't even notice the counterexamples (https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...).
You're right, of course, that moderation is uneven, but the chief reason for that is that we don't come close to seeing everything. Beyond that, we no doubt have our biases (though different mods have different ones), but we also work hard at suspending them when moderating and have many years of practice at doing so. Many of our "you've unfortunately been breaking the site guidelines repeatedly lately" replies are addressed to commenters whose position on an underlying topic we actually agree with.
I would never claim that we are perfect at being even-handed—this is impossible—but it's nothing as crude as what you think you're seeing here. That explains why the people you're most implacably opposed to also believe they're seeing the same thing, just in the opposite direction.
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It's always curious how and when you decide to pop into threads and request that people follow the rules of hackernews. You claim that the site and your moderation principles are not (or have limited) ideologically motivated(tions), but your enforcement (or engagement) is uneven and certainly along some political axis. From the rules: > Please don't complain that a submission is inappropriate. If a story is spam or o…
They key word in your comment is "certainly". People are constantly (over)interpreting this "mods are against my side" bias into what we do ( https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... ), but I can tell you for sure without knowing which side you're on (or what the topic even is) that people you disagree with feel just as strongly that we're clearly/obviously/certainly against them and that we ti…
The truth is: we never will be able to know the biases of this community or mod team with accuracy, because hackernews doesn't expose enough data to be able to perform a meaningful analysis.
The call-out is disjoint from the rest of what you go on to say. I said you are _certainly_ biased. I didn't say how. Your comment starts with saying that people are predisposed to feel persecuted due to biases, which is somehow related to my use of the word, and then you go on to essentially confirm exactly the intention of my callout.
> That explains why the people you're most implacably opposed to also believe they're seeing the same thing, just in the opposite direction.
Cordially, I have no idea what you're talking about or referring to in this regard. Who is my enemy that you've invented here? I'm not representing a position on behalf of the community, other than to point out that this moderation has _some_ uneven biases, and it's always interesting when they show.
In the words of @tomhow
> The choice is yours to make an effort to observe the guidelines and be a positive contributor to HN, or alternatively to keep using HN for political/ideological battle
What's my political and ideological battle? Functional programming? Ai usage?
When political topics come up, I engage with the discourse. That's within the bounds of the spirit of this community.
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They key word in your comment is "certainly". People are constantly (over)interpreting this "mods are against my side" bias into what we do ( https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... ), but I can tell you for sure without knowing which side you're on (or what the topic even is) that people you disagree with feel just as strongly that we're clearly/obviously/certainly against them and that we ti…
It's even more curious that merely pointing out that you unevenly moderate triggers yet another link to the clustering illusion. The truth is: we never will be able to know the biases of this community or mod team with accuracy, because hackernews doesn't expose enough data to be able to perform a meaningful analysis. The call-out is disjoint from the rest of what you go on to say. I said you are _certainly_ biased.…
But now I'm confused why you consider it curious that we pop into threads and request that people follow the rules. That's obviously the job.