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France is taking state actions against GrapheneOS?

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Re: France is taking state actions against GrapheneOS?

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Post by strcat »

65 wrote: post #36
jddj wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It speaks to the medium that someone shouting nonsense can absorb so much of the thread

Goes to show the fundamental UX design flaws of Mastodon and Twitter. If it were on Hacker News or Reddit it would be instantly downvoted. Even if the OP replied to the comment, it would still be buried. But because of how Mastodon and Twitter are designed, if the OP replies it will get amplified.

We can block accounts from grapheneos.social to stop their posts being shared by our instance. If they posted a link to harassment content, all their replies and the replies to those in the linked page would be gone. Our chat rooms have a much lower bar for bans because it's disruptive for everyone using it. There's currently someone raiding our Matrix chat rooms spamming images including CSAM because they're angry we banned them for their harmful behavior in our rooms. Our moderation team turned on the automation for removing this which previously led to someone escalating to a swatting attack when they couldn't spam gore and CSAM anymore. It's best not to ban people if they're not really causing any harm because we have enough people targeting us with libel, harassment and even violence already.

Re: France is taking state actions against GrapheneOS?

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Post by strcat »

anigbrowl wrote: post #23
Mond_ wrote: post #6

What is wrong with that guy in the comments shouting? Christ on a stick, this is the worst crash out I've seen over something like this

Normal troll behavior. I don't know why they keep engaging with him since he's obviously just there to poop on the floor.

It doesn't look like a troll. It's best not to do something which could cause them to escalate to obsessive harassment. It could potentially turn into more violence in the form of swatting attacks or something else.

Re: France is taking state actions against GrapheneOS?

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Post by bromuro »

herbertgreen wrote: post #29
4ndrewl wrote: post #3

The newspaper article referenced contains insinuation (linking GrapheneOS to the darkweb, criminal gangs etc), and unnamed sources quoting a police investigation. But that sort of thing sells newspapers. There didn't appear to be anything about the French state taking specific action (eg passing a law) against Graphene.

French newspapers are mostly french republic propaganda paid by the state, and laws and political decisions are tested with headlines like this. This is public data, it's not a conspiracy. Lots of newspapers would not exist without the taxpayer money: https://www.culture.gouv.fr/thematiques/presse-ecrite/tablea...

So… taxpayers’ propaganda?

Re: France is taking state actions against GrapheneOS?

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Post by Jean-Michelgos »

WJW wrote: post #49
frenchie4111 wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does it read like AI slop to anybody else?

Mostly just reads like a mentally ill person to me TBH. Don't see why you'd think it was AI.

I thought that the question was actually really good, the existence of news articles doesn't really demonstrate state action...

Edit: the news article don't mention legal action being started or being prepared...

Re: France is taking state actions against GrapheneOS?

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Post by mmooss »

metadope wrote: post #52
chris_wot wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If they consider the country is making laws they can't accept, then the honourable thing is to no longer allow participation within that country.

The honourable thing? More importantly this is the smart choice, the only thing, to do: Shake the dust from your sandals, walk away, don't look back. This is the ongoing horror of the overbearing state, which wants to rule efficiently by knowing everything that everybody is doing all the time. Those who focus on and value law enforcement before freedom.

> This

What? What is the French state doing in this case?

Re: France is taking state actions against GrapheneOS?

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Post by anigbrowl »

strcat wrote: post #82
anigbrowl wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Normal troll behavior. I don't know why they keep engaging with him since he's obviously just there to poop on the floor.

It doesn't look like a troll. It's best not to do something which could cause them to escalate to obsessive harassment. It could potentially turn into more violence in the form of swatting attacks or something else.

Yeah it does. It's perfectly OK to ignore abusive people if a good faith effort to communicate has failed.

Re: France is taking state actions against GrapheneOS?

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Post by omnimus »

deadbolt wrote: post #70
charcircuit wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It would have been better to leak directly to the government. If it he wanted the public to see it he could have leaked it directly to the public. It's the 21st century.

You're trolling right?

Just a person who should never talk to journalists.

Re: France is taking state actions against GrapheneOS?

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Post by jddj »

strcat wrote: post #81
65 wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Goes to show the fundamental UX design flaws of Mastodon and Twitter. If it were on Hacker News or Reddit it would be instantly downvoted. Even if the OP replied to the comment, it would still be buried. But because of how Mastodon and Twitter are designed, if the OP replies it will get amplified.

We can block accounts from grapheneos.social to stop their posts being shared by our instance. If they posted a link to harassment content, all their replies and the replies to those in the linked page would be gone. Our chat rooms have a much lower bar for bans because it's disruptive for everyone using it. There's currently someone raiding our Matrix chat rooms spamming images including CSAM because they're angry w…

Is shadowban an an option? I guess not for CSAM but for the lead up to that?

It must be hard sometimes not to get quite a dim view of the world when pressed up against this part of it. Condolences.

Re: France is taking state actions against GrapheneOS?

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Post by Itoldmyselfso »

metadope wrote: post #55
aussieguy1234 wrote: post #39

Since smartphones were invented, seizing a persons phone and going through their private life on it has become a substitute for real police work. Of course they will hate it if a particular OS and phone combination make this impossible.

I confess I haven't paid much attention to privacy issues in my laziness and indifference over the years. But as I witness the development of escalating violations of personal space and the invasive seizures of sensitive data by corporations and governments and random script kiddies employed for their demolition skills, I am resolving, here and now, to stop shaking my fist at the clouds and yelling to Get Off My Lawn…

I hope you used their Auditor app to check the validity of that GOS installation.

Re: France is taking state actions against GrapheneOS?

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Post by imiric »

max_ wrote: post #19

This hostility towards privacy all over the world signals that there is a co-ordinated change happening in the world. Unfortunately we still don't know what it is or what its goals are.

I don't think it's coordinated. The animosity and competition between companies and governments couldn't possibly get them to agree on anything of this scale.

Rather, Occam's razor suggests that their interests simply align against individual privacy.

Company executives are plutomaniacs, and companies can't access and exploit your data if you want to keep it private. Politicians are megalomaniacs, highly insecure and defensive of their position, and governments can't monitor your thoughts and activities if you want to keep them private; they take comfort in knowing that you are a good and subservient citizen.

Many decades ago people in governments and companies understood that they can accomplish their goals much easier if they cooperate, which is why lobbying is a legal multi-billion-dollar industry, why we see CEOs in politics, and so on. The world of 1984 is a reality; it's just that our leash is long enough and the carrot enticing enough for us to care about it.

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