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Re: New magnetic component discovered in the Faraday effect

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I've always wondered what degree of confidence exists amongst the cogniscenti that a single photon event happened. I tend to think the criteria of measurement here would suggest the most likely outcome was a shitload more than 1 photon, and that all the "but we measured we can see one only" measurements are themselvs hedged by a bunch of belief. That said, I do like the single photon experiment, when it's more than a…

Double slit experiment has been done with electrons which are, afaik, much easier to detect and send single file. It's been done with molecules. It's not a thought experiment. Quantum superposition is real. There's no doubt about that.

Not a physicist, just here to observe single photons weren't reliably emitted until the modern era. like the 1970s. The double slit experiment pre-dates this. it's from 1801. The one which confirms "self interaction" was 1974. I was in high school 1973-78 so the stuff we did, was comparatively "new" physics in that sense. Not a message I remember receiving at the time.

From the pop-sci history reading I do, "detecting" reliable generation of single photon STREAMS in the early days depended on using mechanisms which inherently would release a sequence of photons on a time base, over time, and then gating the time sufficiently accurately to have high confidence you know the time base, and can discriminate an "individual" from the herd.

I don't doubt quantum theory. I only observe it's mostly for young students (like almost all received wisdom) grounded in experiments which don't actually do what people think they do. The ones you run in the school lab are illustrative not probative.

What people do in places like the BIPM in Paris, or CERN, isn't the same as that experiment you did with a ticker-tape and a weighted trolleycar down a ramp. "it's been confirmed" is the unfortunate reality of received wisdom, and inherently depends on trust in science. I do trust science.

Now we have quantum dots, and processes which will depend on reliably emitting single photons and single electrons, the trust has moved beyond "because they did it in CERN" into "because it's implemented in the chipset attached to the system I am using" -QC will need massive amounts of reliably generated single instance signals.

Re: New magnetic component discovered in the Faraday effect

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> Since the magnetic fields of these EMF’s can pass deeper into the body than the electric field, Can they actually though? I'm not an expert, but to my knowledge the penetration depth of an electromagnetic wave depends only on its frequency. I can't find anywhere online that makes a distinction between electric waves and magnetic waves.

When the electromagnetic wave hits a substance, it splits into separate electric and magnetic waves. The electric wave does not penetrate deeply, but magnetic waves can go through anything. Magnetic waves can only be diverted, not blocked.

>When the electromagnetic wave hits a substance, it splits into separate electric and magnetic waves

Not in any sense I'm familiar with

Re: New magnetic component discovered in the Faraday effect

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post #81

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Double slit experiment has been done with electrons which are, afaik, much easier to detect and send single file. It's been done with molecules. It's not a thought experiment. Quantum superposition is real. There's no doubt about that.

Not a physicist, just here to observe single photons weren't reliably emitted until the modern era. like the 1970s. The double slit experiment pre-dates this. it's from 1801. The one which confirms "self interaction" was 1974. I was in high school 1973-78 so the stuff we did, was comparatively "new" physics in that sense. Not a message I remember receiving at the time. From the pop-sci history reading I do, "detectin…

> just here to observe single photons weren't reliably emitted until the modern era.

A dim light bulb from a few feet away emits on the order of 1k photons/sec, which is low enough that you can count individual emissions using fairly simple analog equipment [0] [1].

> The double slit experiment pre-dates this. it's from 1801. The one which confirms "self interaction" was 1974.

There's an experiment from 1909 that demonstrated the double-slit experiment with single(ish) photons [2].

> I only observe it's mostly for young students (like almost all received wisdom) grounded in experiments which don't actually do what people think they do. The ones you run in the school lab are illustrative not probative.

> What people do in places like the BIPM in Paris, or CERN, isn't the same as that experiment you did with a ticker-tape and a weighted trolleycar down a ramp. "it's been confirmed" is the unfortunate reality of received wisdom, and inherently depends on trust in science. I do trust science.

The double-slit experiment is actually fairly easy and cheap to run [3]. Certainly more complicated than ticker tape, but not by much.

[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scintillation_counter

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photomultiplier_tube

[2]: https://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/page/31034247

[3]: https://www.teachspin.com/two-slit

Re: New magnetic component discovered in the Faraday effect

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It can keep going! Intelligence -> societies -> technology -> ? One has to wonder how far can emergence stretch given enough time, some kind of entropic limit probably exists but I'm just a layman, hopefully someone more knowledgeable can share if we already know a physical hard limit for emergence.

After a brilliant start (atoms etc.,) it starts to be problematic once one hits societies. After all, the earlier progressions are undeniably astounding stable successes in their various incarnations. A pessimist might say 'Stable' societies so far have tended eventually towards being self-destructive tyrannies.

They are increasingly unstable, hence why I pondered about some enthropic limit the higher up it goes in the enthropy ladder.

Atoms are quite stable, even though they also suffer from quantum decay; then molecules can be stable but are less stable than atoms; up the ladder to biochemistry it starts to become more unstable the more complex it gets; so on and so forth.

Stable societies might be something that humans haven't achieved yet but somewhere in the Universe some other lifeform might, each rung of the ladder will filter out the most unstable versions of it, coalescing into the emergence of the more stable versions of it. Advanced technology is very unstable for us, requiring constant maintenance by intelligent humans.

Of course, it's just food for thought :)

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What a timely article and comment. I've been watching a lecture series over the last few days about quantum mechanics and the many worlds interpretation. And I have questions. I may have missed it or didn't understand it when I heard it explained. What underpins the notion that when a particle transitions from a superposed to defined state, the other basis states continue to exist? If they have to continue to exist,…

Because quantum mechanics describes the universe with a wave function, which evolves according to the schroedinger equation. In it, there is no notion of collapse. The only thing that makes sense is saying the observer becomes entangled with the measurement. So if you only look at the Schrödinger equation, this is the only conclusion. Wave function collapse is something which is simply added ad-hoc to describe our ob…

That's an unsatisfying answer. I have some work to do if I want to understand it.

Re: New magnetic component discovered in the Faraday effect

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We intuitively think in particles and see a world of billiard balls colliding with one another. But actually everything is merely waves and fields. There's going to be a time where humans finally reconcile the quantum with the newtonian -- and I can't wait for that day

Soon!

Re: New magnetic component discovered in the Faraday effect

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We will put a box containing a little light and a magnet into every home and people will lose their goddamned minds looking at it every day

Hmm.. if only we could force this to somehow display ads..

I am so on this
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