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Re: The only GM EV1 ever publicly sold

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Post by officeplant »

nebula8804 wrote: post #62
1970-01-01 wrote: post #28

The only place for it is back on the road. If I was the owner I would spit into GM's face and put a million miles on the odometer. It should be a private Uber.

Drive it and park it in front of the GM's headquarters. Do a cannonball run. These guys are Youtubers so I expect lots of great content. However I fear some of the more exciting ideas may not come to bear because "Influencers"/Press are usually afraid of OEM cutting off access. Hopefully these guys aren't in that group.

The actual owner isn't a youtuber, but niche EV guys have their own communities and a handful of youtubers happen to be in there as well.

The owner already has an electric S10 as well, and the RAV4 both which use the same charging system as the EV1 so I'm just glad its an enthusiast who will rebuild it and run it.

Re: The only GM EV1 ever publicly sold

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Post by consp »

kube-system wrote: post #43
dmurray wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are they actually unsafe or they just haven't gone through the certification? They're on sale in Europe where the car safety standards are slightly different to the US, but generally considered more rigorous.

The difference in vehicle regulations between the EU and US are not along a linear scale of rigor. They have different requirements for different things. They are different opinions of what “safe” even means.

Creating massive blindspots by making the outside mirrors magnifying is one of them.

Re: The only GM EV1 ever publicly sold

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Post by cogman10 »

These things had around 25kWh battery packs with 140 miles of range.

I think 200 miles is on the low end of what they could achieve with LFP chemistry.

I really wish a car manufacturer would bring back the EV1 form factor with modern EV batteries.

Re: The only GM EV1 ever publicly sold

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Post by lawlessone »

cogman10 wrote: post #83

These things had around 25kWh battery packs with 140 miles of range. I think 200 miles is on the low end of what they could achieve with LFP chemistry. I really wish a car manufacturer would bring back the EV1 form factor with modern EV batteries.

I can see why that wasn't sufficient for the US with your commute distances but that probably would have sold well outside the US if they tried.

Re: The only GM EV1 ever publicly sold

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Post by throw0101c »

See perhaps the 2006 movie:

> Who Killed the Electric Car? is a 2006 American documentary film directed by Chris Paine that explores the creation, limited commercialization and subsequent destruction of the battery electric vehicle in the United States, specifically the General Motors EV1 of the mid-1990s. The film explores the roles of automobile manufacturers, the oil industry, the federal government of the United States, the California government, batteries, hydrogen vehicles and consumers in limiting the development and adoption of this technology.

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_Killed_the_Electric_Car%3F

And from the same director in 2011:

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revenge_of_the_Electric_Car

Re: The only GM EV1 ever publicly sold

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Post by dangus »

cogman10 wrote: post #83

These things had around 25kWh battery packs with 140 miles of range. I think 200 miles is on the low end of what they could achieve with LFP chemistry. I really wish a car manufacturer would bring back the EV1 form factor with modern EV batteries.

Good luck convincing anyone to purchase a two-door vehicle with a below-average sedan-style trunk.

It's difficult enough for automakers to sell standard sedans these days, never mind an electric one ($$$) designed around efficiency above all else.

The average gas price today in Texas is $2.60. It is not really economically rational for someone to pay a premium for an efficiency-focused EV without some other benefit.

I think the closest to what you're asking for is the Model 3, or Ioniq 6: appliance sedans built around efficiency.

They don't sell as well as their SUV cousins.

Re: The only GM EV1 ever publicly sold

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Post by dylan604 »

throw0101c wrote: post #85

See perhaps the 2006 movie: > Who Killed the Electric Car? is a 2006 American documentary film directed by Chris Paine that explores the creation, limited commercialization and subsequent destruction of the battery electric vehicle in the United States, specifically the General Motors EV1 of the mid-1990s. The film explores the roles of automobile manufacturers, the oil industry, the federal government of the United…

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Re: The only GM EV1 ever publicly sold

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Post by dylan604 »

dangus wrote: post #86
cogman10 wrote: post #83

These things had around 25kWh battery packs with 140 miles of range. I think 200 miles is on the low end of what they could achieve with LFP chemistry. I really wish a car manufacturer would bring back the EV1 form factor with modern EV batteries.

Good luck convincing anyone to purchase a two-door vehicle with a below-average sedan-style trunk. It's difficult enough for automakers to sell standard sedans these days, never mind an electric one ($$$) designed around efficiency above all else. The average gas price today in Texas is $2.60. It is not really economically rational for someone to pay a premium for an efficiency-focused EV without some other benefit.…

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Re: The only GM EV1 ever publicly sold

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Post by pnw »

cogman10 wrote: post #83

These things had around 25kWh battery packs with 140 miles of range. I think 200 miles is on the low end of what they could achieve with LFP chemistry. I really wish a car manufacturer would bring back the EV1 form factor with modern EV batteries.

Why? Almost all two seater vehicles sold in the US are sports cars and trucks for a reason. The demand for two seat subcompacts is very low and previous attempts to sell them have been unsuccessful. The Smart car was available in both ICE and EV models and still failed despite trying for over a decade, and that had the advantage of a smaller parking footprint than the EV1. The Scion IQ was similarly unsuccessful.

Despite being a two seater the EV1 is not that small, it's a fraction longer than the Chevy Bolt. I can't see any reason the EV1 form factor would sell today.

Re: The only GM EV1 ever publicly sold

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Post by mft_ »

cogman10 wrote: post #83

These things had around 25kWh battery packs with 140 miles of range. I think 200 miles is on the low end of what they could achieve with LFP chemistry. I really wish a car manufacturer would bring back the EV1 form factor with modern EV batteries.

Quite similar to the first gen Honda Insight, which was similarly focussed.
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