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Re: Iran begins cloud seeding operations as drought bites

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Post by rjzzleep »

Thlom wrote: post #73
energy123 wrote: post #63

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Israel also said Pakistan was trying to build nukes, but they were stopped by the Indian PM in the 1980s from launching a preventive attack. The silver lining is that we don't have to suffer the internet commentators saying "Pakistan has been weeks away from nukes for fifty years!" You can choose to put your head in the sand about a theocracy that enriches uranium to 60%, holds up mushroom clouds in their protests, a…

Iran can of course build a nuke in a relatively short timespan if they want to, but for a range of reason they have made the decision not to. Perhaps they should have built a nuke, if they had one Israel and the US wouldn't have bombed them.

It's really amazing how a bunch of politicians in the US including can just repeat a claim and Trump can just prime a statement like "the JCPOA was a terrible deal" and people that should be smart will gradually start believing it without ever reading a single word of the JCPOA document.

No they can't. Canada can. Japan can, SK can. But Iran poured concrete into the rods of its only, then completed heavy water reactor that would have been able to produce the plutonium needed right after they signed the JCPOA before actually receiving any of the concessions they were supposed to get which would have actually given them leverage.This was also detailed in Wendy Sherman's book.

The entire airspace around Iran is controlled by the US's allies and Iran's enemies. Iran would never be able to fly a bomb anywhere close to Israel. They would need a ballistic missile delivery mechanism which's research was confirmed by the US to have been stopped in 2003.

Re: Iran begins cloud seeding operations as drought bites

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Post by bongodongobob »

treis wrote: post #69
bad_haircut72 wrote: post #18

Its obviously not as dire (yet) but I think Texas will face something like this in the coming decades. Its the kind of problem that requires people at all levels of society to cooperate and sacrifice - farmers & businesses need to draw less, people need to use less and government needs intelligent and actionable policy, plus big investment into unsexy and invisble infrastructure upgrades - so basically we're screwed.

People use very little water. Most of what is drawn is returned back to the system. By that I mean if you use 20 gallons for a shower 19 is going into the drain to be reused. The only real usage of water is evaporation and that's stuff like growing plants and cooling towers.

??? 20 gallons get reused, 100% of it goes back into the system. If somehow 5% was destroyed from showering we wouldn't have any water left.

Re: Iran begins cloud seeding operations as drought bites

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Post by rjzzleep »

incrudible wrote: post #40
rjzzleep wrote: post #26

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They're building nukes? Awesome, looks like you have more information than the IAEA. Unless of course you're talking about the same Ayatollah bomb that Iran almost has since 1984[1]. The drones are produced by Russia btw. You know, kinda how you guys keep saying that you'll punish China for supplying components for them. Meanwhile every single drone that Ukraine uses is built with either Chinese components or is a mo…

When you build all the technology needed to actually build a nuke, when you enrich uranium to near weapons-grade, but you never actually assemble the nuke, are you trying to building a nuke? Or are just messing with everyone, trying to make them think you're building a nuke when you're totally not building a nuke (pinkie promise)? Either way, if you are threatening to annihilate another country, I wouldn't gamble on…

> if you are threatening to annihilate another country, I wouldn't gamble on the latter.

you mean what Israel is doing and saying every single day? Doesn't seem to bother anyone.

Re: Iran begins cloud seeding operations as drought bites

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Post by rjzzleep »

dmix wrote: post #30
rjzzleep wrote: post #26

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They're building nukes? Awesome, looks like you have more information than the IAEA. Unless of course you're talking about the same Ayatollah bomb that Iran almost has since 1984[1]. The drones are produced by Russia btw. You know, kinda how you guys keep saying that you'll punish China for supplying components for them. Meanwhile every single drone that Ukraine uses is built with either Chinese components or is a mo…

I don’t think Iran is hiding the fact they are building nuclear weapon tech and long range ballistic missiles capable of MIRV. People dismissed North Korea’s ability to do so for a long time. They thought they were too poor and isolated.

None of which is true of course. Not even the North Korea claim. NK applied to leave the NPT immediately after they deemed the US untrustworthy in 2003, The only country to ever withdraw from the NPT. I would hardly call that hidden.

https://www.armscontrol.org/act/2003-01/news/north-korea-qui...

Re: Iran begins cloud seeding operations as drought bites

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Post by rectang »

bombcar wrote: post #59
rectang wrote: post #43

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Those of us who live in other states also have to prepare for the refugees fleeing ruined lands who will bring their destructive ideology with them.

It’s so lucky that even though refugees from other states bring negative consequences at least refugees from other countries don’t.

Every refugee brings change. We can disagree about the desirability of changes brought by refugees from different circumstances.

Re: Iran begins cloud seeding operations as drought bites

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Post by CGMthrowaway »

energy123 wrote: post #66
CGMthrowaway wrote: post #49

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The civilian nuclear program. Not the enrich to 60% and build secret underground enrichment facilities in violation of the NPT -- for no reason whatsoever, I am assured -- nuclear program.

Well, enrichment tech supply chain looks like this, US > USSR > China > Pakistan > Iran

Re: Iran begins cloud seeding operations as drought bites

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Post by nerdponx »

barbazoo wrote: post #65
perhonen wrote: post #60

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who owns the rain? what if it was just going to fall in the oceans?

We’ll find out soon. Whoever is “taking” the rain is the one that owns it is my guess.

My understanding is that cloud seeding has been going on for quite a while over Texas and the rest of the southern Plains.

It's hidden in plain sight, and the only people who ever seem to talk about it are total wingnuts who also believe things like climate change is real but manufactured by the US and other world power militaries (using secret technology) for geopolitical purposes, often conflating real cloud seeding with variations on the classic chemtrails conspiracy theory.

It's a largely unregulated continent scale weather and climate modification experiment. I haven't booked too deep into the research on it, but because powerful agricultural interests are involved, I'm sure nobody is looking too closely at externalities and would prefer to keep it that way.

Re: Iran begins cloud seeding operations as drought bites

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Post by reeredfdfdf »

It's about time to start preparing for global geoengineering. Spraying our atmosphere with stuff that reflects light would buy us time to get emissions under control, and help avoiding the worst scenarios. Best of all, we know it works, thanks to emissions from maritime traffic and the spike in temperature rise after they got cleaner.

Re: Iran begins cloud seeding operations as drought bites

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Post by treis »

bongodongobob wrote: post #82
treis wrote: post #69

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People use very little water. Most of what is drawn is returned back to the system. By that I mean if you use 20 gallons for a shower 19 is going into the drain to be reused. The only real usage of water is evaporation and that's stuff like growing plants and cooling towers.

??? 20 gallons get reused, 100% of it goes back into the system. If somehow 5% was destroyed from showering we wouldn't have any water left.

Some evaporates. It will eventually come down again as rain somewhere else but as far as the original city is concerned the water is used.

Re: Iran begins cloud seeding operations as drought bites

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Post by a2tech »

londons_explore wrote: post #76
a2tech wrote: post #7

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I assume marketing. I’m wondering what will happen when they force the afghan refugees back over the border into Afghanistan since they don’t have the water to give them. Climate change and bad decisions from the last 50 years are starting to bite now. It’ll just get worse. Expect migrations and countries collapsing as millions of people are pushed to migrate for survival.

Drinking water is such a tiny proportion of total water use that it is essentially irrelevant. Water for farming and power stations are the things that will be hit first.

The drinking water is just part of the issue (as you said). Water is used in countless industrial processes, farming, EVERYTHING. if the water goes, so does everything else.

And it’s not just water going away—it’s impingement by salt as well.

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