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Kodak ran a nuclear device in its basement for decades

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Re: Kodak ran a nuclear device in its basement for decades

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no I think it's fuel for boiling water

Ah yes, nuclear energy, real hot, make water boil, make things happen. You're telling me we don't have sci-fi energy harnessing capability to capture the nuclear energy itself and convert it to electricity? It's 2025!

Steam power is no joke if you actually look at the numbers. At this scale, it lets you move energy around and convert it to electricity in fewer steps, with fewer losses, than any other strategy.

Re: Kodak ran a nuclear device in its basement for decades

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no I think it's fuel for boiling water

Ah yes, nuclear energy, real hot, make water boil, make things happen. You're telling me we don't have sci-fi energy harnessing capability to capture the nuclear energy itself and convert it to electricity? It's 2025!

To be fair, I think we're getting something like 60% efficiency that way. Its not perfect, but it isnt as primitive as it sounds.

Re: Kodak ran a nuclear device in its basement for decades

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> Climate activists backed and propagandized by the fossil fuel industry and the KGB Who are the current generation of climate activists backed and propagandized by?

one of the current approaches is to turn communities against solar and wind projects on the grounds that it's racist or disturbs plant life etc. This has advocates of environmental justice, which is an important concern on its own, weaponized against building renewable energy. Here's one example in Florida, but it is happening around the US https://www.eenews.net/articles/fla-solar-plans-stoke-fight-... The net effec…

Some of these opposition groups come from the fossil fuel industry.

https://www.propublica.org/article/ohio-mount-vernon-frasier...

https://www.npr.org/2023/02/18/1154867064/solar-power-misinf...

Re: Kodak ran a nuclear device in its basement for decades

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Our energy costs are due to the distribution network and the massive amount of deferred maintenance on it that has come due in the last decade, accelerated by the Camp fire court case. There was a two year period a few years ago where power went out at least once a week while SDGE replaced every power pole in the rural east county by flying them in on helicopters. That's largely what we're paying for.

As the above poster said. Generation costs are a small part of most consumers' bills, but particularly in CA. If you look at the location marginal pricing map from CA ISO: https://www.caiso.com/todays-outlook/prices You'll see that right now (before solar has really kicked in), The price for the next megawatt hour of generation is $49 -- i.e., under 5c per kWh. That's comparable to the average price in PJM (east coas…

In terms of consumer bills, California is actually among the states with typical spending on such things. Your actual energy bill in California is not that high. There are 14 American states where residential energy bills are higher than California's.

People are always pointing out the marginal volumetric costs of electricity, which is indeed very high. But that is just reflection of the fact that we use so little energy because of our history of efficiency laws and the mild climate, so the fixed charges and taxes that combine into the volumetric price are much higher than in other states. And our extremely large fleet of behind the meter solar panels also contributes to the higher volumetric price of grid electricity. All together, this doesn't tell us much about whether renewables are a good policy or not.

Re: Kodak ran a nuclear device in its basement for decades

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The article is paywalled, but remember that the USA’s business giants during the Cold War were ran quite different than businesses today, especially with the fact that they had major internal R&D labs that did novel research in-house and relied less on transfer coming from research universities. Think about the other stories that you may have heard about Xerox or Bell labs. So Kodak having research abilities is not surprising. They also made the cameras and films for US spy satellites during the Cold War. They were not just a little company that made recreational film. They were a science and chemistry powerhouse.

Re: Kodak ran a nuclear device in its basement for decades

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no I think it's fuel for boiling water

Ah yes, nuclear energy, real hot, make water boil, make things happen. You're telling me we don't have sci-fi energy harnessing capability to capture the nuclear energy itself and convert it to electricity? It's 2025!

There are lots of ideas, like using a reverse cyclotron (a particle decelerator) to drive a turbine, or harnessing the photo-electric effect (essentially solar panels, but for x-rays).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_energy_conversion

Re: Kodak ran a nuclear device in its basement for decades

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Almost nobody knew or cared about the coming global warming in the 60s-90s.

What do you mean “the coming” global warming? I thought the hockey stick graph starts hockey sticking around 1900.

Starts hockey-sticking and is finished hockey-sticking are... not the same.

Re: Kodak ran a nuclear device in its basement for decades

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This is just like how universities hide their animal research facilities. It wasn't until the final year of my biology degree that I found out we had a basement floor under our life sciences building where this research is carried out. I visited a few times as part of a research project I was involved in, and that experience was one of the factors that put me off pursuing a career in biomedical research.

If we can’t have a good faith discussion then maybe it is a good idea to hide nuclear and animal labs. But with less oversight, that also invites abuse. You can probably imagine abuse on your own in an anima lab, but I would also point out after Obama banned gain of function research in 2014 U.S. scientists moved their lab to China where it continued without the same oversight, and bad things happened.

As a dyed in the wool leftist I more and more struggle with Obama legacy from common core to regulation to his utter selling out the American people to the cia.

When he was well intentioned he seemed to be a total failure and when he was blatantly self interested he was monstrous.

I don’t think the right is another option but woof… this is tough

Re: Kodak ran a nuclear device in its basement for decades

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Kodak did a lot of government work over the years. When the news came out, no one panicked. Kodak was the biggest employer in the region and had a lot of local goodwill, we trusted them to take care of things. Needless to say, that is no longer the case.

Kodak also accidentally detected nuclear fallout. https://www.orau.org/health-physics-museum/collection/nuclea...

Re: Kodak ran a nuclear device in its basement for decades

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Ok but what about when it’s night time or cloudy?

Molten salt solar power doesn't care. It remains hot. Advancements in solar also are improving with clouds. Also, you know, batteries. When someone makes it cost effective to install a device to sell your car battery power on the grid we'll also have a better time managing the grid during spikes... Would be nice if that also did home battery backup in blackouts... 70 kWh would get me through most of the ones I've exp…

Molten salt solar power plants are completely obsolete. See for ex. Ivanpah being shut down early because the power its generating is too expensive compared to Solar PV: https://www.renewableenergyworld.com/solar/once-an-engineeri...
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