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Re: Bitchat for Gaza – messaging without internet

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Is it actually being used in Palestine? My problem is that when you are actually locally near someone you don't really need live chat; and if you're far, it might become too unstable to use. But I might be wrong!

it’s not just chat over Bluetooth, the message is relayed over a mesh so you can chat with people much further than Bluetooth range.

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Re: Bitchat for Gaza – messaging without internet

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AFAIK they used to have internet, but Israel clamped down on it more and more, at the same time they shot as many journalists as they could. Has there been anything out of Gaza in ages?

There is internet in Gaza. The company is called Paltel if I am not wrong.

They have monopoly there so if you read online reviews (from before the current war) they were not very popular.

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I'm just going to leave this here per the associated press, > In April 2022, there were 4,450 Palestinian security prisoners in Israeli prisons – including 160 children, 32 women, and over 1,000 "administrative detainees" (indefinitely incarcerated without charge).

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Re: Bitchat for Gaza – messaging without internet

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I think in these kinds of places they beat you dead for being the wrong skin colour if they're in a bad mood. I'm not sure how much your installed apps are relevant to the decision.

The "wrong skin color" is projection of western ideologies to Israel/Gaza conflict. Israelis have lighter skin Ashkenazi Jews, darker skin Mizrahi Jews(majority of hte jews in Israel now) and black Ethiopian jews. And of course 20%+ Arabs living in the country. Gazan Palestinians skin color varies as well, some have light skin, while others have darker skin tones. For example, does this woman have the right skin colo…

Despite that, isn't there a history of compulsive violence based on skin-based profiling? These are facts, not ideology.

2 off-duty soldiers assaulted after being mistaken for Arabs https://www.timesofisrael.com/2-off-duty-soldiers-assaulted-...

Live TV shows Israeli mob attack motorist they believed to be an Arab https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/may/13/live-tv-shows-...

Israeli soldier kills Jewish civilian in 'identity mishap' https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-34602287

3 hostages killed by Israeli soldier in Gaza were waving a white flag, Israel says https://www.npr.org/2023/12/15/1219695220/israel-soldiers-mi...

Israeli Civilian Killed by Israeli Soldier after Being Mistaken for Palestinian https://www.palestinechronicle.com/israeli-civilian-killed-b...

And from Wikipedia: > The Israeli Security Forces use racial profiling at military checkpoints and during some of the duties they perform. In August 2017 Haaretz reported that security guards working for a company which provides security at Tel Aviv's Central Bus Station said they were instructed to demand ID from people who look Arab and detain those who do not have an ID with them.

OP said that Israelis beat people up for having the wrong skin color. The one I replied to said that is wrong and is a projection of western ideology. But it does not appear to be wrong in reality - OP was correct.

Re: Bitchat for Gaza – messaging without internet

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I looked into Meshtastic a while ago and they use AES with no authentication tags. Also decryption happens on the LoRa device, which is a lot easier to crack with physical access compared to my phone. Even if you delete the messages it's still possible to decrypt sniffed LoRa traffic if, at some point in the future, one device gets captured. I'd rather the protocol gets updated so the crypto key can stay on the phone…

Agreed – and MeshCore follows a similar "security on the radio" design. With the "cell phone + companion radio" setup which is currently very popular, it would seem the correct solution is to perform encryption on the phone – using the Signal protocol – and use the companion radio only to send/receive these blobs. This has the added benefit that you can pair with _any_ arbitrary companion radio, rather than your iden…

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Re: Bitchat for Gaza – messaging without internet

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Other than the cold start problem which isn't discussed (what's the userbase size in Gaza?), the main argument for Bitchat (or any other off-grid network such as Meshtastic, Briar, etc.) in Gaza when mainstream E2E encrypted messaging apps already exist and are widely used, is to not be dependent on Israel for cell service. While I do really like the idea of off-grid networks in general but for this use case, is it r…

A disaster, cyberattack, or prolonged blackout could take down cell towers in a broad area, this could be useful in that case. And in a civil emergency a government may be able to shut down cell towers centrally, but not have the resources to jam the entire country.

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I'm just going to leave this here per the associated press, > In April 2022, there were 4,450 Palestinian security prisoners in Israeli prisons – including 160 children, 32 women, and over 1,000 "administrative detainees" (indefinitely incarcerated without charge).

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Re: Bitchat for Gaza – messaging without internet

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I think in these kinds of places they beat you dead for being the wrong skin colour if they're in a bad mood. I'm not sure how much your installed apps are relevant to the decision.

The "wrong skin color" is projection of western ideologies to Israel/Gaza conflict. Israelis have lighter skin Ashkenazi Jews, darker skin Mizrahi Jews(majority of hte jews in Israel now) and black Ethiopian jews. And of course 20%+ Arabs living in the country. Gazan Palestinians skin color varies as well, some have light skin, while others have darker skin tones. For example, does this woman have the right skin colo…

The colonization of Gaza and the West Bank is entirely driven by western interests and ideology. Namely Zionism[1]

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism

Re: Bitchat for Gaza – messaging without internet

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This gives me the same vibe as OLPC. We had these places where people didn't even have electricity, running water, or public sanitation, yet some nerds at MIT thought (?) to themselves, " Hey, you know what these people need? Laptops! " But even worse, you can install it from App Store or Google Play! Israeli territory or Israeli territory! What will these dipshits do next? Send the Palestinians some more pagers out…

This in turn reminds me to a meme where a guy was complaining that he got an empty package from Amazon, even though he didn't order anything. The quote retweet then wondered: what's his problem then?
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