HN could use some of this. It'd be nice if there was a safe having from the equivalent of high grade junk mail.
SlopStop: Community-driven AI slop detection in Kagi Search
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Re: SlopStop: Community-driven AI slop detection in Kagi Search
#82This is so, so exciting. I hope HN takes inspiration and adds a similar flag. :)
Indeed.
Re: SlopStop: Community-driven AI slop detection in Kagi Search
#83"Begun, the slop wars have." I applaud any effort to stem the deluge of slop in search results. It's SEO spam all over again, but in a different package.
It is far worse. SEO spam was easy to detect for a human, even if it fooled the search engine. This is a proverbial deluge of crap and now you're left to find the crumbs. And the crap looks good. It's still crap, but it outperforms the real thing of look and feel as well as general language skills while it underperforms in the part that matters.
But I can see why other search engines love it: it further allows them to become the front door to all of the content without having to create any themselves.
Re: SlopStop: Community-driven AI slop detection in Kagi Search
#84Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Their consistent approach to AI is to offer it, but only when explicitly requested. Kagi News does not disclose AI even.
I think it's generally understood among their users (paying customers who make an active choice to use the service) but I agree—they should be explicit re: the disclosure.
All AI use should have mandatory disclosure.
Re: SlopStop: Community-driven AI slop detection in Kagi Search
#85So we have two universes. One is pushing generated content up our throats - from social media to operating systems - and another universe where people actively decide not to have anything to do with it. I wonder where the obstinacy on the part of certain CEOs come from. It's clear that although such content does have its fans (mostly grouped in communities), people at large just hate arificially-generated content. We…
> I wonder where the obstinacy on the part of certain CEOs come from. I can tell you: their board, mostly. Few of whom ever used LLMs seriousl. But they react to wall street and that signal was clear in the last few years
"Completely detached from reality" we used to call it. But where is the money coming from? Is it because we abolished the idea of competition, they never suffer negative impacts of bad decisions any more?
Re: SlopStop: Community-driven AI slop detection in Kagi Search
#86"Begun, the slop wars have." I applaud any effort to stem the deluge of slop in search results. It's SEO spam all over again, but in a different package.
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Re: SlopStop: Community-driven AI slop detection in Kagi Search
#87I always wondered if social networks ran spamd or spamassassin scans on content…though I’m not sure how effective a marker that tech is today.
This obviously is more advanced than that. I just turned this on, so we shall see what happens. I love searching for a basic cooking recipe so maybe this will be effective.
Re: SlopStop: Community-driven AI slop detection in Kagi Search
#88So we have two universes. One is pushing generated content up our throats - from social media to operating systems - and another universe where people actively decide not to have anything to do with it. I wonder where the obstinacy on the part of certain CEOs come from. It's clear that although such content does have its fans (mostly grouped in communities), people at large just hate arificially-generated content. We…
There is a huge audience for AI-generated content on YouTube, though admittedly many of them are oblivious to the fact that they are watching AI-generated content.
Here are several examples of videos with 1 million views that people don't seem to realize are AI-generated:
* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxvTjrsNtxA
* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfDnMpuSYic
These videos do have some editing which I believe was done by human editors, but the scripts are written by GPT, the assets are all AI-generated illustrations, and the voice is AI-generated. (The fact that the Sleepless Historian channel is 100% AI generated becomes even more obvious if you look at the channel's early uploads, where you have a stiff 3D avatar sitting in a chair and delivering a 1-hour lecture in a single take while maintaining the same rigid posture.)
If you look at Reddit comment sections on large default subs, many of the top-voted posts are obviously composed by GPT. People post LLM-generated stories to the /r/fantasywriters subreddit and get praised for their "beautiful metaphors.
The revealed preference of many people is that they love AI-generated content, they are content to watch it on YouTube, upvote it on Reddit, or "like" it on Facebook. These people are not part of "the Midjourney community," they just see AI-generated content out in the wild and enjoy it.
Re: SlopStop: Community-driven AI slop detection in Kagi Search
#89So we have two universes. One is pushing generated content up our throats - from social media to operating systems - and another universe where people actively decide not to have anything to do with it. I wonder where the obstinacy on the part of certain CEOs come from. It's clear that although such content does have its fans (mostly grouped in communities), people at large just hate arificially-generated content. We…
Full on sunk cost fallacy and "business" hysteria. There is no logic, only fads and demands for exponential growth now and also forever.
Re: SlopStop: Community-driven AI slop detection in Kagi Search
#90Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Where's the part where you ask them to do this? Is this not something they do automatically? It's a tool. Summarizing the news using AI is the only thing that tool does. Using a tool that does one thing is the same as asking the tool to do that thing. > Are they not contributing to the slop by republishing slopified versions of articles without as much as an acknowledgement of the journalists whose stories they've…
It's not the only thing the tool does, as they also publish that regurgitation publicly . You can see it, I can see it without even having a Kagi account. That makes it very much not an on-demand tool, it makes it something much worse than what what ChatGPT is doing (and being sued for by NYT in the process). > They provide attribution to the sources. It's listed under the headline "Sources" and is right below the sh…
> as I've demonstrated
You have not, you've thrown a temper tantrum