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I analyzed the lineups at the most popular nightclubs

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Re: I analyzed the lineups at the most popular nightclubs

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Post by pimeys »

jillesvangurp wrote: post #31
Razengan wrote: post #23

As an introvert, what are you even supposed to do at "clubs"? Besides having your eardrums damaged

Talking to people is not actually possible at clubs because it's just too loud. So, it's oddly perfect for introverts in that sense. Nobody goes there to talk. It's why I never liked clubs I prefer small bars where you can talk to people. I've been in Berlin for 16 years now and there are plenty of those bars around. Even now that I no longer drink alcohol, I still enjoy going there. But I never saw the point of the…

> Nobody goes there to talk.

9am garden in the famous Homopatik party after two nights in ://about blank club in Berlin tends to disagree (back in 2013).

Edit: Elon Musk not getting into Berghain is still something me and my friends celebrate every year on that day when it happened. Hilarious.

Re: I analyzed the lineups at the most popular nightclubs

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Post by presentation »

kiitos wrote: post #69
ssalka wrote: post #22

I'm just gonna say that some aspect of the data collection here seems flawed: among the SF clubs listed are DNA Lounge and Public Works – which are great clubs, don't get me wrong – but they are very much on the smaller side. And, Phonobar? That is a bar/restaurant, not a nightclub at all. Meanwhile, The Warfield and 1015 Folsom are left out – how does that make any sense?

dunno about the rest of your post but phonobar is legit, it's tiny but it has a dance floor and regularly hosts top-tier talent

Agreed, when i lived in SF it was my favorite venue. Big clubs are overrated.

Re: I analyzed the lineups at the most popular nightclubs

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Post by presentation »

bckr wrote: post #38
namanyayg wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which is the best SF nightclub? I got baited by online reviews to visit DNA and was disappointed.

My favorites are Public Works, The Midway, and 1015 Folsom

It was almost a decade ago I was living in sf but I remember 1015 Folsom’s audio quality was terrible and they had a lot of basic mainstream acts. Maybe it’s improved since then though. Overall SF’s local artists have a cool style and some of the warehouse events can be cool, but the club scene was not my cup of tea.

Re: I analyzed the lineups at the most popular nightclubs

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Post by presentation »

radley wrote: post #39
input_sh wrote: post #5

I love the idea behind it and the visualisation indeed looks awesome, but the RA data behind it is messy to say the least. For example, 3/7 "nightclubs" it lists in Croatia are not nightclubs. I would also group Kalypso and Zrće Beach together as Kalypso is one out of 4 nightclubs located on Zrće Beach, but the beach itself is not a venue. Similarly, Barbarella's is kind of an afterparty destination for festivals org…

Sounds like RA could have a lot of DJs promoting their small bar gigs and day parties.

When I was DJing locally in SF, that was exactly what we were doing.

Re: I analyzed the lineups at the most popular nightclubs

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Post by repeekad »

pimeys wrote: post #79
kenhwang wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a classic example of data sourcing bias. RA is primarily used by independent promoters in the States, which tend to be much smaller and have smaller or less frequent events. Large promoters who regularly throw events or have the budget for larger events would use their own promotion mechanisms and general population ad networks instead of listing on RA.

RA is the biggest site for electronic subculture since forever, and it's an excellent resource to find out the cool stuff that happens in your city. I don't know why you consider it small, maybe it's a US thing? In Europe, RA is the best resource to find about parties and electronic music in general.

In case you didn’t know America’s music industry is run by cartels… I mean “unregulated monopolies”

Re: I analyzed the lineups at the most popular nightclubs

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Post by hmstx »

jillesvangurp wrote: post #31
Razengan wrote: post #23

As an introvert, what are you even supposed to do at "clubs"? Besides having your eardrums damaged

Talking to people is not actually possible at clubs because it's just too loud. So, it's oddly perfect for introverts in that sense. Nobody goes there to talk. It's why I never liked clubs I prefer small bars where you can talk to people. I've been in Berlin for 16 years now and there are plenty of those bars around. Even now that I no longer drink alcohol, I still enjoy going there. But I never saw the point of the…

> Elon Musk famously got an access denied there once.

Also wasted Richie Hawtin, IIRC. And of course, as I'm sure he asked, they knew who he was :D

Re: I analyzed the lineups at the most popular nightclubs

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Post by hmstx »

el_nahual wrote: post #36
Razengan wrote: post #23

As an introvert, what are you even supposed to do at "clubs"? Besides having your eardrums damaged

When it comes to electronic music, there are basically two types of clubs. One type is the mega club. These are see-and-be-seen places. Ibiza. Vegas. Miami. The DJs are very famous, but often because they have a few EDM "hits"--not because of their selection or mixing skills. These places have tables, bottle service, and beautiful people. The DJs here often do nothing: they may have a USB drive that they press "play"…

> The best way to experience this is at one of the top festivals. The second best way is at a club.

I would respectfully disagree and swap these, unless the festival is something like Freerotation. Festivals tend to bring out the more consumer friendly, hands-in-the-air side, and more often than not, force everyone to condense their sets, losing a lot of the "storytelling", risk-taking and deeper cuts.

What remains of techno has largely rotted in the last 5+ years due to the high-visibility, high octane arms race "business techno" festival energy, for example.

Re: I analyzed the lineups at the most popular nightclubs

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Post by p00dles »

I think this analysis is cool, and the comments are too critical. The author put something out there, documented it, and I learned something by reading it. Thank you.

Maybe the title needs reframing to soften the reader’s expectations, and I definitely agree that RA as a data source has important limitations that should be mentioned.

Re: I analyzed the lineups at the most popular nightclubs

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Post by britzsquad »

decimalenough wrote: post #76
britzsquad wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The idea that people supposedly don't go to Berghain for the artists is the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

OP didn't say that. They said a lot of people go to Berghain a) just because it's Berghain, arguably the most famous techno club in the world, and b) because you're pretty much guaranteed to have some good artists if you do go. Their famously strict door policy also means that it's entirely possible to try to go there for a specific artist and get denied entry. https://www.euronews.com/culture/2025/03/26/berghain-mor…

OP said that was the main reason, but that's complete nonsense. Most people go there primarily for the music. The artists there are world-famous DJs who tour around the world in their particular niche of electronic music. The visitors are mostly enthusiasts who like this particular type of music and are well aware of the differences between the various artists. If you know what you're doing and why you're there, the chances of being rejected are actually relatively low.

Re: I analyzed the lineups at the most popular nightclubs

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Post by siva7 »

britzsquad wrote: post #89
decimalenough wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OP didn't say that. They said a lot of people go to Berghain a) just because it's Berghain, arguably the most famous techno club in the world, and b) because you're pretty much guaranteed to have some good artists if you do go. Their famously strict door policy also means that it's entirely possible to try to go there for a specific artist and get denied entry. https://www.euronews.com/culture/2025/03/26/berghain-mor…

OP said that was the main reason, but that's complete nonsense. Most people go there primarily for the music. The artists there are world-famous DJs who tour around the world in their particular niche of electronic music. The visitors are mostly enthusiasts who like this particular type of music and are well aware of the differences between the various artists. If you know what you're doing and why you're there, the…

Berghain doesn't cater to world-famous djs for various reasons. The visitors are usually enthusiasts (like many are in the berlin club scene) but from my experience the Berghain community and culture is much less about a lineup than in other techno communities.
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