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Tesla's German car sales more than halve in October as wider EV sales jump

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Re: Tesla's German car sales more than halve in October as wider EV sales jump

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Post by programable »

01100011 wrote: post #32
ajross wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Tesla fanboys don’t realize I don't know who you're addressing. Lots of people, me included, don't like the conspiracy minded politicization of his fortune but still think the cars are pretty great. Seems like a boring opinion that wouldn't be controversial, but we still find ourselves subtweeted anyway. (Edit: three downvotes and a Godwin's Law reply drop within seconds, as expected. Seriously folks there are 125k…

Is it really Godwin's Law if the guy literally performed a public Nazi salute?

Not only that, Musk eagerly promoted Tucker Carlson's interview with a Nazi who said the murder of Jews in concentration camps was "humane", and that Winston Churchill was the "chief villain" of WW2.

Re: Tesla's German car sales more than halve in October as wider EV sales jump

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Post by ajross »

breve wrote: post #56
ajross wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Tesla fanboys don’t realize I don't know who you're addressing. Lots of people, me included, don't like the conspiracy minded politicization of his fortune but still think the cars are pretty great. Seems like a boring opinion that wouldn't be controversial, but we still find ourselves subtweeted anyway. (Edit: three downvotes and a Godwin's Law reply drop within seconds, as expected. Seriously folks there are 125k…

> must everything about it be judged entirely on the last twelve months of one guys mania The standard you walk past is the standard you accept.

Yeah, but "the standard" in this case is basically "everyone's slightly racist drunk uncle". You or I might disagree with that politics but it's absolutely not "uncommon", at all. In fact there's nothing particularly notable about the guy's opinions at all absent the financial force behind them.

So... are we cancelling the guy for his opinions or engaging in praxis trying to eliminate his ideology's funding? Very different moral calculus, IMHO, and neither seems very well justified (or implemented[1]) by the attitude I'm seeing in these debates.

[1] I mean, downvoting your fellow lefty traveller in a tiff over the car he drives might feel good but it's clearly not having the desired effect of changing Musk's politics. I am not your enemy, basically. Why are you fighting with the guy who's already voting for your candidates?

Re: Tesla's German car sales more than halve in October as wider EV sales jump

#83

Post by ceejayoz »

iagooar wrote: post #72
ceejayoz wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anyone asking this question at this point in time is not asking in good faith.

I find it amusing how few people can actually answer this question. The many downvotes are a testimony to this.

Nah, we just know you're doing the https://lol.i.trollyou.com/ thing.

Re: Tesla's German car sales more than halve in October as wider EV sales jump

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Post by Forgeties79 »

iagooar wrote: post #72
ceejayoz wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anyone asking this question at this point in time is not asking in good faith.

I find it amusing how few people can actually answer this question. The many downvotes are a testimony to this.

What question is there to answer? Do you legitimately not know about the controversies surrounding Elon Musk? Not thinking they’re a big deal is not the same as not knowing about them. If you are on HN you know his reputation and you know the things he’s done that have upset certain populations. There is no way you’re going to convince me this question is meant to be seriously answered.

Re: Tesla's German car sales more than halve in October as wider EV sales jump

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Post by postflopclarity »

ajross wrote: post #82
breve wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> must everything about it be judged entirely on the last twelve months of one guys mania The standard you walk past is the standard you accept.

Yeah, but "the standard" in this case is basically "everyone's slightly racist drunk uncle". You or I might disagree with that politics but it's absolutely not "uncommon", at all. In fact there's nothing particularly notable about the guy's opinions at all absent the financial force behind them. So... are we cancelling the guy for his opinions or engaging in praxis trying to eliminate his ideology's funding? Very dif…

if your slightly racist drunk uncle was the richest man in the world and one of the most politically influential oligarchs in US history, sure.

Re: Tesla's German car sales more than halve in October as wider EV sales jump

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Post by FireBeyond »

saubeidl wrote: post #31
ajross wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Tesla fanboys don’t realize I don't know who you're addressing. Lots of people, me included, don't like the conspiracy minded politicization of his fortune but still think the cars are pretty great. Seems like a boring opinion that wouldn't be controversial, but we still find ourselves subtweeted anyway. (Edit: three downvotes and a Godwin's Law reply drop within seconds, as expected. Seriously folks there are 125k…

There is no apolitical, there never was. To say that you're apolitical is just an implicit endorsement of the status quo, coming from a place of privilege.

I've yet to meet a person who both says they are "apolitical" and are more liberal in their perspectives.

It's like centerists. It's funny how when you push at them they reveal more and more right-leaning opinions.

Libertarians should, ostensibly, probably have a fairly split voting history, but yet it's always much more right-leaning too.

Re: Tesla's German car sales more than halve in October as wider EV sales jump

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Post by dzhiurgis »

KaiserPro wrote: post #23

Part of this is down to musk being an obnoxious prick, but a larger part is down to teslas not actually being innovative, cheap or high quality enough any more. They look dated, or weird, have patchy customer service, and are not even that long range anymore.

They are still insanely good value for money. Buying car for its looks is not smart.

Yet (salute + support for ADF party) * touchy german history = auto non-grata.

Re: Tesla's German car sales more than halve in October as wider EV sales jump

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Post by dzhiurgis »

moosedman wrote: post #2

I don’t understand how the Tesla fanboys don’t realize how badly he’s torched his consumer base with his politics…

We are not even in US, but 2 of my Tesla friends turned to support Trump and upgraded to new Model Y. I'd do the same, but I'm broke. I don't support Trump at all, but at least I don't suffer from TDS.

I feel there has been shift or perhaps we were cringe tech bros from the start.

Re: Tesla's German car sales more than halve in October as wider EV sales jump

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Post by dzhiurgis »

Night_Thastus wrote: post #26
moosedman wrote: post #2

I don’t understand how the Tesla fanboys don’t realize how badly he’s torched his consumer base with his politics…

Aside from politics, their cars have a reputation for poor quality control. Peeling steering wheels, leaking seals, funky air conditioner smells, etc. Then when there are problems you may be waiting months while it sits in a service center. Or the stupid thing may shut off (due to errors or updates) right when you need it. I would not want to buy one of them for any of those reasons, regardless.

And their nearest competition Hyundai/Kia have disintegrating reduction gear and exploding inverters.

All cars have issues, but stats favour Tesla all while they are cheapest to repair.

Re: Tesla's German car sales more than halve in October as wider EV sales jump

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Post by LightBug1 »

When I think of Tesla, I think Elon Musk sweeping up some garbage on the street while simultaneously taking a dump on it ...

I'll never buy a Tesla. Personally, Musk has delivered generational toxicity to their brand. And he now seeks to be rewarded for that.

The Board is dysfunctional.

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