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Carice TC2 – A non-digital electric car

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Re: Carice TC2 – A non-digital electric car

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Post by rjsw »

calvinmorrison wrote: post #50
cameron_b wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the sentiment completely. My 34-year old base spec Chevrolet has digital controls for timing advance, fuel trim, and integrated Engine and Transmission Control Units. But my dash has some analog components ( fuel level is variable voltage instead of PWM ). The mechanics would all say that my truck is very simple, and "old school" The Lay use of 'analog' is far removed from function. As long as there isn't a s…

The last real analog stuff would be either carb'd bikes / cars or mechanical fuel injection, which is the worst of both worlds. However, those ECUs are more closely related to embedded programming than digital dial outs and SIM Card loaded cars with a internal network canbus these days. Analog / Digital Inputs and outputs as a closed loop controller.

ECUs talked to each other over a digital bus long before anyone added a connection to the internet.

Re: Carice TC2 – A non-digital electric car

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Post by mixmastamyk »

wongarsu wrote: post #60
SoftTalker wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Saw that. It's a plaything for the wealthy, not anything like the small spartan EV that we really need.

It very much looks like it's designed to be your second/third/tenth car. Not as impractical as a daily driver as most sports cars, but you won't use it for a trip to Ikea either

In terms of not-yet-shipping not-online vehicles, we already have the Slate. So this looks to be a good compliment, for a moderately-wealthy two car household.

Re: Carice TC2 – A non-digital electric car

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Post by potato3732842 »

rjsw wrote: post #81
calvinmorrison wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The last real analog stuff would be either carb'd bikes / cars or mechanical fuel injection, which is the worst of both worlds. However, those ECUs are more closely related to embedded programming than digital dial outs and SIM Card loaded cars with a internal network canbus these days. Analog / Digital Inputs and outputs as a closed loop controller.

ECUs talked to each other over a digital bus long before anyone added a connection to the internet.

The first 20yr of automotive computers they weren't really talking to each other and when they were it wasn't really bidirectional and it wasn't typically on a bus unless you wanna call a dedicated wire a bus.

Re: Carice TC2 – A non-digital electric car

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Post by pornel »

RubenvanE wrote: post #34

Some specs about the car: - 31.5kWh - 630kg - 300km (186mi) range This review explains the concept behind the car in more detail: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4aTzuUrdyIc

Lack of DC fast charging makes the range even more limiting. It takes 2.7 hours to add another 150 miles. Modern EVs can add 150 miles of range in 10-15 minutes.

Re: Carice TC2 – A non-digital electric car

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Post by tzuij »

stavros wrote: post #39
jmward01 wrote: post #21

I like the idea, and we need variety in the market to keep things evolving, but I like the bells and whistles. I just don't want it to phone home. Honestly, I want the title to be 'we don't have a network connection and we can still be a car'. Privacy is my #1 feature.

I have a BYD Seal and this was as simple as removing the SIM (it's in the armrest compartment and just pops out).

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Re: Carice TC2 – A non-digital electric car

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Post by pnw »

formerly_proven wrote: post #66
jmward01 wrote: post #21

I like the idea, and we need variety in the market to keep things evolving, but I like the bells and whistles. I just don't want it to phone home. Honestly, I want the title to be 'we don't have a network connection and we can still be a car'. Privacy is my #1 feature.

A data connection still has tangible benefits e.g. remotely starting the AC/heating, live status of chargers / route planning, online map updates, eCall etc

Exactly. If the last decade has shown us anything, consumers will always opt for the convenience features and cost far ahead of privacy concerns. I can't think of many successful consumer products with privacy as their key selling point, despite how many times it shows up here. Apple products maybe, but privacy is listed as feature #6 of the 7 features highlighted halfway down the page on https://www.apple.com/iphone/

Re: Carice TC2 – A non-digital electric car

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Post by mbesto »

pornel wrote: post #85
RubenvanE wrote: post #34

Some specs about the car: - 31.5kWh - 630kg - 300km (186mi) range This review explains the concept behind the car in more detail: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4aTzuUrdyIc

Lack of DC fast charging makes the range even more limiting. It takes 2.7 hours to add another 150 miles. Modern EVs can add 150 miles of range in 10-15 minutes.

Take a look at the video the car driving. I don't think people who buy this are worried about range anxiety.

Re: Carice TC2 – A non-digital electric car

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Post by ASalazarMX »

observationist wrote: post #65
abakker wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean, even back in the OnStar days, you could "opt out" and cancel the service and it would track you anyway. With BYD or any other car maker, I'd be worried the SIM was a placebo.

This is where things like a HackRF or flipper zero are useful - leave a scan running over 24 hours from multiple fixed locations within the vehicle and you can detect if there are any wireless transmissions, and then triangulate on exactly where they come from using several pieces of yarn cut to the length of estimated distance from the source. Cars should be independent, local only devices. Having cloud dependencies…

Can this be done without picking up the myriad of SIMs that pass near your car? How would you know which of them is your ghost SIM?
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