Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Ground stop at JFK due to staffing

fly.faa.gov

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

81–90 of 299 posts

Re: Ground stop at JFK due to staffing

#81

Post by sigmar »

rogerrogerr wrote: post #35
ipython wrote: post #30

My concern is that we will end up in a state of perpetual government "shutdown". The republicans, instead of reopening the entire government, will simply choose agencies to fund in order to keep the pain felt by the American people just low enough so they don't get fired (ala office space). Once that happens, Congress has basically iced itself out. Oversight from unfriendly government agencies? No worries, they're sh…

I think if this was the plan, the right would be insisting on something more outlandish than a clean CR.

It's double speak to call it a "clean CR" when there was just a huge bill changing a ton of tax code, budget, and increasing ICE's budget by 10x.[1] Passing the CR would have approved those spending changes as if they were in an appropriations bill.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Big_Beautiful_Bill_Act

Re: Ground stop at JFK due to staffing

#82

Post by Zagitta »

temp0826 wrote: post #56
Zagitta wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Planes transport more things than people, like organs for transplants. Are those a luxury too?

Can't tell if joking, healthcare is essentially a luxury now. An organ transplant could very likely lead to someone becoming destitute.

That just goes to show how big the rift in the western world has grown. I'm European, so to me healthcare is not a luxury no.

Re: Ground stop at JFK due to staffing

#84

Post by paulryanrogers »

deepsun wrote: post #47
tombert wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I got in trouble at a BigCo because I said "we all do this for the money", and they claimed that I had a "bad attitude". But I don't think I was wrong. Work is fundamentally a business transaction; I sell my time and expertise and they give me money and benefits. Ultimately for any job I've had, even jobs that I really loved, if they stopped paying me I'd stop showing up [1]. It's nothing personal, that's just the tr…

It's not just wrong, if a company is registered as "commercial" (as opposed to non-profit or public-benefit), then "for the money" is a legal obligation. Shareholders can literally sue the management if they don't pursue the obligation.

Profit is not the only obligation. We all exist in a society. Poisoning the water can be very profitable, and yet shareholders cannot sue to force management to do it.

Re: Ground stop at JFK due to staffing

#85

Post by alephnerd »

Pxtl wrote: post #83

Do Americans know that other countries don't have this wierd "government shuts down if we don't pass a budget" thing?

The ground stop was due to an aircraft emergency [0] and lifted within 21 minutes of being announced [1].

There are plenty of reasons to call out the shutdown, but using disinfo is the wrong method.

[0] - https://pix11.com/news/local-news/ground-stops-at-jfk-due-to...

[1] - https://www.fly.faa.gov/adv/adv_list?whichAdvisories=ATCSCC&...

Re: Ground stop at JFK due to staffing

#86

Post by donmcronald »

ares623 wrote: post #33
ipython wrote: post #30

My concern is that we will end up in a state of perpetual government "shutdown". The republicans, instead of reopening the entire government, will simply choose agencies to fund in order to keep the pain felt by the American people just low enough so they don't get fired (ala office space). Once that happens, Congress has basically iced itself out. Oversight from unfriendly government agencies? No worries, they're sh…

Speed running to become an actual developing nation. This is what millions of migrants are trying to escape from. Ironic, for all parties involved (well, except for the ones on top of course)

> Speed running to become an actual developing nation.

That's what it looks like from the outside, but I can't understand what the gain is. Who benefits? The result of the middle class was massive advancement and an equally massive increase in standard of living for the wealthy who captured most of the gains.

What do they gain from stagnating innovation and a lack of education, services, etc.?

It makes me think of the old Olympic and sports videos. The participants basically suck because they're coming from a small pool of people wealthy enough to not need a job. Do they really want the pool of candidates competing to become doctors, etc. to be smaller which will end up lowering the overall quality for them?

Or do they think they'll simply hire the best and brightest from other countries that are investing in their citizens?

Re: Ground stop at JFK due to staffing

#87

Post by johncolanduoni »

shadowgovt wrote: post #64
gruez wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Is this enshrined in a statute somewhere? Feels like adding air traffic controllers to that list should be a no-brainer (and broadly politically popular). They are considered essential. That means they have to work, but not be paid. https://time.com/7329683/government-shutdown-flight-delays-c...

So what happens if they don't show up? Are they at risk of jail or at risk of being fired and replaced by the new recruit, Michael McDoesnt-Exist ( https://www.aviationtoday.com/2025/07/25/americas-atc-meltdo... )?

I could imagine some sort of loss of seniority or pay level, even if they’d hire them right back because we already have an ATC shortage.

Re: Ground stop at JFK due to staffing

#88

Post by thephyber »

rogerrogerr wrote: post #35
ipython wrote: post #30

My concern is that we will end up in a state of perpetual government "shutdown". The republicans, instead of reopening the entire government, will simply choose agencies to fund in order to keep the pain felt by the American people just low enough so they don't get fired (ala office space). Once that happens, Congress has basically iced itself out. Oversight from unfriendly government agencies? No worries, they're sh…

I think if this was the plan, the right would be insisting on something more outlandish than a clean CR.

You still take Republicans in Congress at their word?

Look at the actions of Russell Vought, not the words of Ted Cruz.

Re: Ground stop at JFK due to staffing

#89

Post by bee_rider »

pfooti wrote: post #71
ipython wrote: post #30

My concern is that we will end up in a state of perpetual government "shutdown". The republicans, instead of reopening the entire government, will simply choose agencies to fund in order to keep the pain felt by the American people just low enough so they don't get fired (ala office space). Once that happens, Congress has basically iced itself out. Oversight from unfriendly government agencies? No worries, they're sh…

Yeah, I think the actual underpinning support that broke this time is recission. In the past, of congress passed a budget with money for the some department or line item, that money would be spent. Now the president has claimed that he doesn't have to spend money he had been directed to spend by finding bills, and (importantly) the supreme court has upheld this stance. This means that there is no longer the ability t…

Yeah, that seems like a pretty major problem. It isn’t even clear really how negotiations should start, without any ability to make binding deals.

Re: Ground stop at JFK due to staffing

#90

Post by shadowgovt »

bragr wrote: post #3
slater wrote: post #2

Get Kennedy Steve back in there!

I think even Kennedy Steve wouldn't do it just for the love of the game. At this point you have to figure a lot of the people calling out "sick" are just doing it so they can Uber or door dash or something like that to come up with money for a car payment or rent/mortgage.

Also, tomorrow's Halloween and folks have kids.

Time to put the finishing touches on the costumes and carve the last pumpkins.

Post reply on HN