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Taking money off the table

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Re: Taking money off the table

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post #58

I participate in a personal finance sub-reddit, and there is often a question of whether someone should pay off their mortgage (completely, or make some lump sum payments). The mathematical answer is that if your interest rate is lower than the expected returns of some kind of portfolio you have, than you'll make more money investing. But I like to bring up what Morgan Housel, author of the book The Psychology of Mon…

If you have a 2.6% mortgage which is less than inflation, then you are making money from the bank. Paying that off would be ridiculous.

Just to reiterate the point the person above you made, but in far simpler terms: independence can be far greater return on your personal well-being then maximizing gains. I'm willing to "lose" out on $50-$100k over the lifetime of my mortgage in exchange for never needing to make a payment on the house again

Re: Taking money off the table

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Take the money. These things are 10x bets. You won't be sad that you got 7.5x instead of 10x (which is what happens if you take the 25% of your stake off the table). If you flip it, you'd have 10x instead of 7.5x. It's not meaningful.

Each time you get money you get to deploy that elsewhere. If you have super risk tolerance, push $25k cheques as seed.

Re: Taking money off the table

#83
post #58

I participate in a personal finance sub-reddit, and there is often a question of whether someone should pay off their mortgage (completely, or make some lump sum payments). The mathematical answer is that if your interest rate is lower than the expected returns of some kind of portfolio you have, than you'll make more money investing. But I like to bring up what Morgan Housel, author of the book The Psychology of Mon…

If you have a 2.6% mortgage which is less than inflation, then you are making money from the bank. Paying that off would be ridiculous.

The point being made is good though.

Owing no one anything is incredibly liberating. It changes how you behave and what you are risking.

Sure, I’d be richer on paper if I had kept the first house and rented it out, buying the second house with debt. But the worry and hassle and was my concern and I’m far happier. Perhaps 20 years from now my position would be different.

Re: Taking money off the table

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post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you're hitting on something that very rarely gets discussed, at least in the US and maybe some other Western societies. I wonder if it's just simple depreciation or compound depreciation (or whatever the opposite of compound interest would be). Me finding the money to climb Kilimanjaro at 23 is different than me having the money at 40 but worse knees. Thank you for pointing this out and I hope someone formali…

As someone who is not so young anymore, but also not old, I think it is compound depreciation.

But… you can pay someone to carry your pack, and lie in a comfortably bed at night (you won’t sleep though, that ability vanishes at 40).

The shiite travel arrangements young people will tolerate are truly hilarious.

Re: Taking money off the table

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post #29

There's a crucial extra factor that isn't in the original article, but ought to be: Money's ability to buy great experiences decreases as you get older. I've seen this with beach vacations, road trips to see a favorite band, fast cars, ski trips, etc. Seize the moment, friend! What you can do NOW with that 10% slice will never exactly be on your possibilities map again.

Experiences are overrated.

Re: Taking money off the table

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post #29

There's a crucial extra factor that isn't in the original article, but ought to be: Money's ability to buy great experiences decreases as you get older. I've seen this with beach vacations, road trips to see a favorite band, fast cars, ski trips, etc. Seize the moment, friend! What you can do NOW with that 10% slice will never exactly be on your possibilities map again.

We were in our 20's when my friend said 'A day in your 20's is worth a year in your 30's, a day in your 30's is worth a year in your 40's, etc...' Now in our 60's we're a little less adamant - every day is worth something.- but it has been a useful perspective.

A day in my 20s was worth nothing. I went and flipped burgers for $4/hr, then probably went out for beers at a dive bar that night. Just living day to day.

Re: Taking money off the table

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post #7

A 10% tender offer isn't really an interesting discussion. You should take definitely take 10% off the table unless you're already pretty wealthy. The interesting discussion is how much you should take off the table if the offer is uncapped.

Growing up around people who lost everything, job and savings, working at Enron, you should take all the money they’ll let you. You are structurally long your company already, because if they struggle you could lose your job. Diversify your wealth away from that concentrated position as much as possible if you’re offered a fair price.

Would you apply that similarly to RSUs at a public company as well? i.e. always sell your stock grant and diversify regardless of the company?
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