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Crunchyroll is destroying its subtitles

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Re: Crunchyroll is destroying its subtitles

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A similar issue has been plaguing the manga industry since "The Great Scanlator Purge" that took place a few years ago, leaving only the "official" Viz media-contracted translators in the wake of the ruins. For some reason, this change came with a general unwillingness on the translators part to correct, or translate, concepts that virtually all fan translators would've been happy to do. Here's some examples (there a…

>"Indignia", which doesn't mean anything It's a combination of indignation and the suffix ia, meaning land of.

Ohh, that's probably it. I had considered whether or not they were trying to incorporate indignant/indignation in some fashion when they came up with it, but never made the connection with "ia" being "land of".

Still, that's a bit complicated because it's missing something essential that the author had originally intended. It's like replacing "Mad God World" with "Unjust World"... well, they're very much all unjust, have to be more specific.

This is even more of a reason why they really should be explaining these self-insert puns to the readers, since they invented them. It's a nice touch is all, and fan translators made that (among the other things I mentioned) a standard practice.

Re: Crunchyroll is destroying its subtitles

#84
post #63

As someone who doesn't watch anime, this article reminds me of when a coworker sends a screenshot with zero context and says something like "is this supposed to be like this?" Maybe it's a spectrum thing, but I find it beyond lazy and insulting. In the article, there's zero explanation of what the actual issue is, at least in the first few paragraphs. It just seems to say the subtitles are bad with some examples and…

I agree, I didn't see that much of a difference between the good quality and bad quality examples. Is it the fonts, or the translation, or the placement of the text?

Re: Crunchyroll is destroying its subtitles

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As someone who has spent decidedly too many hours in Aegisubs to create at least somewhat decent subtitles, for projects which have long ago gone the way of the DMCA, these changes feel quite insulting. ASS has been a perfectly cromulent subtitle format and should've been widely adopted.

Though on a related topic, on Netflix it is not just the subtitling that is bad, the translations are awful too. They are cutting every corner so hard I fear they might become a circle.

Re: Crunchyroll is destroying its subtitles

#86

It's so hard finding dubbed anime WITH subtitles. Like actually ridiculously hard. My wife is deaf and I like dubbed so I can use my laptop while we chill but she literally needs subtitles so it's super annoying when a show either 1. Has no subtitles for dubbed. 2. Their subtitles are just the subbed version's subtitles which are drastically different from what the dubbed VAs are actually saying. 3. Has subtitles for…

> 2. Their subtitles are just the subbed version's subtitles which are drastically different from what the dubbed VAs are actually saying.

I get that you might not like it, but it sure beats the option you didn't list:

4. Has auto-generated subtitles for the dub that fail in dramatic and distracting ways, especially for proper nouns or any kind of show-specific invented terminology

Re: Crunchyroll is destroying its subtitles

#87
post #63

As someone who doesn't watch anime, this article reminds me of when a coworker sends a screenshot with zero context and says something like "is this supposed to be like this?" Maybe it's a spectrum thing, but I find it beyond lazy and insulting. In the article, there's zero explanation of what the actual issue is, at least in the first few paragraphs. It just seems to say the subtitles are bad with some examples and…

I think the before and after screenshots are pretty stark.

Re: Crunchyroll is destroying its subtitles

#88

It's so hard finding dubbed anime WITH subtitles. Like actually ridiculously hard. My wife is deaf and I like dubbed so I can use my laptop while we chill but she literally needs subtitles so it's super annoying when a show either 1. Has no subtitles for dubbed. 2. Their subtitles are just the subbed version's subtitles which are drastically different from what the dubbed VAs are actually saying. 3. Has subtitles for…

I was pretty happy with all the animes produced by Netflix I watched ; they had a good choice of both audio and subs

Re: Crunchyroll is destroying its subtitles

#89
post #63

As someone who doesn't watch anime, this article reminds me of when a coworker sends a screenshot with zero context and says something like "is this supposed to be like this?" Maybe it's a spectrum thing, but I find it beyond lazy and insulting. In the article, there's zero explanation of what the actual issue is, at least in the first few paragraphs. It just seems to say the subtitles are bad with some examples and…

My understanding is, people who only get subtitles from anime have very particular subtitle preferences. As someone who grew up where 90% of TV was subtitled I find the “bad” anime subtitles much better.

Ultimately what one would really want is not better subtitles but a localized version with on screen text replacement by overlay. The kanjis would simply disappear. A lot of shows were successfully translated and localized in the 80's and 90's in various countries, there is no reason we couldn't do that anymore. The only reasons they aren't doing it anymore is cost reduction.

Re: Crunchyroll is destroying its subtitles

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It baffles me how this is a thing. Not just regarding anime but any non-English language show or film. I've never come across a dub that wasn't at least five times worse in every way.

Dubs can be good in shows where there's a lot of fast dialog; it's hard for subtitles to keep up. The loquacious protagonist of Steins;Gate benefits _significantly_ from a dub, for example. I watched the show twice when I realized the subs had skipped half his dialog. Period accents are another place dubs can have an advantage, particularly in shows like Baccano! where the characters are ostensibly speaking English t…

Apologies if this seems snarky or rude but I would be very, very, very surprised if any part of the dub for Steins;Gate sounds better than any part of the original audio.
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