This post resurfaced a thought I had. MSFT is really, really pushing AI. It would be really cool if someone attempted, with any of the coding models / agents, to recreate Windows from "scratch". THAT would be very interesting, and useful -- on my levels.
Look, Another AI Browser
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#82To be sure, a browser that retains a representation of every word you read on it, constantly synthesizing a profile on your preferences, using that profile to filter everything you see through a lens that consistently enforces and limits the worldview of a snapshot-of-you - all with a level of data retention that would be controversial for Google but that OpenAI's users will happily opt into, that Palantir and its go…
Man, I miss the old days, seeing new tech come out and not immediately wondering how the worst parts of our industry are going to turn it into the torment nexus.
I remember the optimism:
Google is launched and it is web directories but…better. It takes a decade to become a monolithic ad-tech company but all is not lost yet, until it becomes the face of enshittification of the entire internet another decade on.
Facebook is launched and it’s this cool way to keep in touch with your friends until that too becomes a monolithic ad-tech company a decade later, and soon after becomes the face of enshittification of social media as a whole, lowering the bar on civility to a subterranean level.
Ditto for Amazon and the enshittification of online retail. And Microsoft with.. whatever the hell you call Windows these days.
What took 10, 20, even 30 years to show up as being bad for society now takes just a couple of years, maybe even less than that. Maybe even straight away.
It’s like the stagnation of Asimov’s Galactic Empire. A bunch of crusty old tech companies, too big to change.
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#83It's interesting that no one in this thread seems to use ChatGPT particularly deeply to understand why this is useful. I think this is very interesting, I don't particularly love Chrome, so a version of Chrome that more deeply integrates with one of the most common things I do in my browser (use ChatGPT) is very interesting!
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#84To be sure, a browser that retains a representation of every word you read on it, constantly synthesizing a profile on your preferences, using that profile to filter everything you see through a lens that consistently enforces and limits the worldview of a snapshot-of-you - all with a level of data retention that would be controversial for Google but that OpenAI's users will happily opt into, that Palantir and its go…
If such a browser was unavoidable I'd just drop off the web and read books. They can only turn the screws so much.
I hear Ray Bradbury is a pretty good novelist.
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#85Rolling your own browser is 10x more dangerous than rolling your own auth or crypto. Building on top of chromium is a good thing here.
I think the point is: why is OpenAI wasting its time on this? If it's just another channel for billing tokens then OK I guess, but it's not like it's a huge breakthrough.
OpenAI should be the roads, not the trucks. Let other product teams sort out the AI browsers. OpenAI has lots of problems to solve related to models and thats where they should focus. This is a side quest.
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#86Really love the design of your site. Homemade?
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#87To find out what someone truly believes, don't listen to what they say, observe how they act. I don't see how OpenAI's recent actions make any sense from the perspective a company that internally believes it's actually close to unlocking super-intelligence.
OpenAI has always had the stance of “commercialize narrow AI that is research aligned with AGI development”. In fact they used to ask this as an interview question — “should we commercialize narrow AI or aim to put all resources into AGI”. The correct answer required you to prove you drank the kool aid and also wanted to make tons of money.
Makes sense, I guess. Did you hear that question yourself in an interview, hear it from someone who interviewed, or hear that as a story through the grapevine? and ~when was it asked?
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#88> Yesterday, OpenAI announced Atlas, its AI browser. To the surprise of literally nobody, it’s Chromium with AI slapped on top. Perplexity also has a browser: it’s called Comet, and it also is Chromium with AI slapped on top. Then we have DIA, which is, you guessed it, Chromium with AI slapped on top. I think Opera also has one of those Chromium browsers with AI slapped on top. The interesting thing is what they "sla…
>Chromium is an industry wide[...] But is it though? Feels to me like Google just does whatever it wants. Nobody except Google wants manifest v3. Nobody wants "Web Environment Integrity", etc.
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#89This could be a legal loophole to scrape all the data from websites that block you directly. Your users will grab all the data for themselves and you just put some telemetry here and there and here we go, we scrape all the web without even using our own IPs
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#90> Yesterday, OpenAI announced Atlas, its AI browser. To the surprise of literally nobody, it’s Chromium with AI slapped on top. Perplexity also has a browser: it’s called Comet, and it also is Chromium with AI slapped on top. Then we have DIA, which is, you guessed it, Chromium with AI slapped on top. I think Opera also has one of those Chromium browsers with AI slapped on top. The interesting thing is what they "sla…
>Chromium is an industry wide[...] But is it though? Feels to me like Google just does whatever it wants. Nobody except Google wants manifest v3. Nobody wants "Web Environment Integrity", etc.
I agree that Google's control over the Chromium roadmap is a fundamental issue, making "industry-wide" a generous term. Brave (which I use) and other Chromium-forks exist to ensure the community does have its own branch. Brave disables WEI and forked the Manifest V2 code to ensure its built-in Shields and essential extensions (like uBlock Origin, which I also use) remain unaffected by Google's anti-user changes.